Cabiner Craze?
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It's been about 20 yrs since I climbed since getting back into the sport again in 2011 and I am dazed at the.number of carabiner manufacturer's and designs out these days! Do we really NEED like 10 carabiner manufacturer's - and do we REALLY NEED ovals, bent gates, straight gates, wire gates, dovals, junior 'biners, magnetic lockers? In mean....just how many 'biner designs do we really NEED? Hell - Robbins and Chouinard didn't need so many configurations - so why do we? |
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No of course we dont "need" any of them. But if you cant understand why you would use a product that works better over another one than you are pretty dumb. I guess we dont "need" modern harnesses either, swami belts work but they sure are uncomfortable. How old and crusty are you exactly? And you are complaining about the number of manufactures? That is just a free market economy, try not to be such an idiot... Do you not participate in any other sports? There are about 100 special types of mountain bikes, snow skis, kayaks etc... Welcome to 2012. |
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BurtMachlan wrote:No of course we dont "need" any of them. But if you cant understand why you would use a product that works better over another one than you are pretty dumb. I guess we dont "need" modern harnesses either, swami belts work but they sure are uncomfortable. How old and crusty are you exactly? And you are complaining about the number of manufactures? That is just a free market economy, try not to be such an idiot... Do you not participate in any other sports? There are about 100 special types of mountain bikes, snow skis, kayaks etc... Welcome to 2012. If you dont need any of those fancy new carabiners than I suggest you stop bitching and go buy a rack of ovals. No one wants to hear it, go back and live in your glory days of oval biners...Hey, Burt - another classy, "You're dumb" and "don't be an idiot" post from you. What a shocker. Your name-calling is your trademark. |
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s.price wrote:I think BM needs an enema. Something has GOT to be stuck up there.Heh. I didn't know he had a history going on. Considering the OP though, you have to admit he wasn't too off base with the response. I was thinking dickhead, sure, but an apropos dickhead in this instance. |
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s.price wrote: This guy BM never has a good word to say. He acts as though he was never a noob. It's a legit question from anyone. Give the guy some shit for his spelling but then let it go. Enough of the playground style smackdown.Cry me a river. The guy asked for it, he isnt a noob. Apparently he thinks he was quite the badass back in the day of hemp ropes and oval biners. Its really not a legit question. Even if you are a total rock climbing NOOB it is pretty easy to figure out why there are 10 companies with a variety of designs out there. Like i said its just like ANY other sport or hobby, there are tons of variations on products and last time I checked this was America where as many companies can produce as many products as they want. The guy asks a stupid question he gets a stupid response... Yeah reprimanding him for missing two letters in a word is a WAY better response. |
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FrankPS wrote: Hey, Burt - another classy, "You're dumb" and "don't be an idiot" post from you. What a shocker. Your name-calling is your trademark.Hey frank, nice post moron. Did you come on here to just call me out? You could have at least taken the time to answered the OP's question like I did...even if I did call him an idiot. At least now he maybe is a little bit less of a moron and can figure out why there are multiple variations of caribiners out there. SP - You couldnt answer the guys question either? Or did you just think it was to obvious to warrant a response... Hey I got a question. WHY are there like 20 different car makers out there? And WHY do they all make different models? Isnt one car manufacturer and one model enough, do we REALLY need pickups, sedans, sports cars etc. Isnt one type of car ENOUGH? |
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Yes, most of the extra brands of carabiners are unnecessary. Is there any difference between one HMS carabiner and another? Not really. Every company makes one hoping that theirs will be better, but they're almost all the same. Same size, 25kN on major axis, etc. But there is a difference between ovals, D shaped, pear shaped, and all the other types. Each is best for a specific situation. I personally prefer wiregate quickdraws to draws with a solid gate, but others don't. I also prefer screwlocks over autolockers, another thing that makes a slight difference. Sometimes the difference is slight, but why not have it. Occasionally a biner comes along that is the only one in its class, such as the Black Diamond Magnetron or the Petzl Ange quickdraws. I won't be surprised if other companies start copying these new designs. |
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Hey Burt bro, try one post without a rude comment. |
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BurtMachlan wrote: Hey SP which I can only imagine stands for short penis, whats your problem? Why you gotta pic on everyone and judge? You have no idea...Ah, I wondered what your issue was. South Park Episode 1504 - T.M.I. |
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BurtMachlan wrote: Hey SP which I can only imagine stands for short penis, whats your problem? Why you gotta pic on everyone and judge? You have no idea...So... Burt;you're another one of these guys who can't be bothered to provide any information about yourself on your profile page; you joined a month ago; we're just supposed to accept your Bullshit because you can type? STFU. Try establishing some credibility before you start criticizing; we may even respect your sorry ass, then. |
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Joe Huggins wrote: So... Burt;you're another one of these guys who can't be bothered to provide any information about yourself on your profile page; you joined a month ago; we're just supposed to accept your Bullshit because you can type? STFU. Try establishing some credibility before you start criticizing; we may even respect your sorry ass, then.and so hath spoken the almighty we! HA! accept whatever you like huggy bear, but whether you have been proclaiming your prowess online for an hour or a decade (good use of time, by the way) you do not speak for the 'community.' There is not one. just a bunch of under-grown children who like playing in dirt. So sling some mud, Mr. Fancy. |
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Mike, there are a lot of carabiners to choose from and they've all got their specialized application. As Burt alluded to, but was too much of an ass to word kindly, it's pervasive in much of this society of consumerism. What's most perplexing to me is why so many of us "buy" into it. If you got the time, this documentary sheds a little light on who we've become. I highly recommend watching it! |
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To the OP: the variety of manufacturers and styles allows for a nice variety of products to satisfy a range of preferences. It isn't necessary, but it's quite nice. |
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OK explain something: climbing is supposed to put things in perspective for an individual and build character, comoraderie, resilience, wisdom ....all the good stuff. So why are u guys acting like a bunch of teenage cheerleaders? Ur dumb! ...no ur dumb! No u! Ridiculous.... |
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marketing ... pure and simple ... |
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Thanks Bearbreeder, FRankstoneline, BCSorter and Joshw97 for your legitimate answers. Yes I realize that some of this is due to marketing and others are because as another member stated - "Why we have 10 different manufactures of cars" these days. Yeah - I get that. And yes - of course it is nice to have a choice and a variety of goods to select from and choose something to your liking. |
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mike dont let them make u feel stupid! u r not i tell u . u are a smart person and the douches here are just bored. |
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BurtMachlan wrote: Hey SP which I can only imagine stands for short penis, whats your problem? Why you gotta pic on everyone and judge? You have no idea...http://www.mountainproject.com/u/burtmachlan//107618460?action=contribs& Its not hard to figure it out BM. You don't say much of anything unless it's douchey. PT |
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I think some of us need to take another look at "Guideline #1: don't be a jerk." |
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To point out a history of abusiveness doesnt make you jerk. It is an attempt to clean up the MP community with little coercion. |