Unfortunate Accident
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Did you know the guy? If so, my condolences. Sad, indeed, but the article is vague. The gist of it is, "Unidentified person falls to his death." Not much to be gleaned or learned from this. |
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Sounds like a hiker fell of a cliff and died. Sad he died young but why does this need to be posted on here? Its not like car wrecks or other deaths that have no relation to climbing get posted.... |
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True, it was a tragedy. I also noticed that the article says he was free soloing. Doesn't really touch my heart. |
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Utah County Sgt. Eldon Packer said the man, a 22-year-old from Nevada, was climbing without a rope with a group of friends when he fell. |
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Jake M wrote:Utah County Sgt. Eldon Packer said the man, a 22-year-old from Nevada, was climbing without a rope with a group of friends when he fell. Not quite sure what you mean by, 'no relation to climbing' or 'it sounds like a hiker fell off a cliff.' Really sad for the family, and friends who witnessed it happen.Uhh because to me it sounds this guy and his buddies were out hiking and decided to scramble up some rocks. I guess he was "freesoling" but I doubt he had any idea thats what its called and doubt he was really a "climber" at all. The newspaper always cites "climbing without a rope" any time a hiker falls off a cliff... which is what this sounds like. |
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Another example of the media demonizing climbing. This guy was was dicking around and got in over his head. It's this kind of thing that turns the general public against climbers and climbing access. |
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BurtMachlan wrote: Uhh because to me it sounds this guy and his buddies were out hiking and decided to scramble up some rocks. I guess he was "freesoling" but I doubt he had any idea thats what its called and doubt he was really a "climber" at all. The newspaper always cites "climbing without a rope" any time a hiker falls off a cliff... which is what this sounds like.No, actually this sounds like someone was free soloing. Probably emulating Alex Honnold or whoever else is soloing this week on tv. |
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drmartindell wrote: No, actually this sounds like someone was free soloing. Probably emulating Alex Honnold or whoever else is soloing this week on tv.Yeah he was technically free soloing but ask him or any of his buddies what "free soloing" is and I bet they have no idea. Sounds like a college student who was out hiking and thought it woudl be a good idea to do some rock climbing and didn't think they needed a rope. Or you can be a moron and believe some 60 minutes episode that aired months ago made him do this.... Riiiiight. Hope you arent an actual Doctor, although common sense is usually not a doctors strongest point.... |
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This doesn't make things any better... |
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The posts above are some of the most insensitive and ignorant I've seen. But, they will not get deleted. But, what I'm about to say is more likely to get deleted because of the honest and non pc format I choose. |
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Greg D wrote:The posts above are some of the most insensitive and ignorant I've seen. But, they will not get deleted. But, what I'm about to say is more likely to get deleted because of the honest and non pc format I choose. Frankly, who gives a shit if this guy knows what "free solo" means. EDITED FOR SPACE pants to REI and offer up some condolences to this guy's family and friends and don't turn this into your "access" or "he wasn't a climber" or "he was scrambling" or "media inaccuracy" bullshit.That was good. |
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People get killed and it is sad. Condolences all around. |
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paintrain wrote:People get killed and it is sad. Condolences all around. Access is an issue though and one that can be affected by accidents and the perception of who seems to be the causitive agents in rescues and body recoveries. I won't disagree that some of the statements above are insensitive, but i also won't agree that access isn't at issue. My home crag was shut down because of a fatality (private land). It does become important to differentiate user groups as land managers are different at every area and their perceptions can be influenced by what user group is giving them problems. PtThe fact that you mention pg13 and tr in the same sentence in a recent post tells me you should head to REI also. |
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Greg D wrote: The fact that you mention pg13 and tr in the same sentence in a recent post tells me you should head to REI also.You must be referencing some other conversation here. Anyway, I agree with what you said, Greg. This horse gets beaten to death almost as quickly as the victim does sometimes. Maybe we will simply just find out more information about the accident and hopefully hear from some friends of the guy and go from there. Very sorry to hear about this. |
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Having dealt with similar situations there are many aspects. First it is always a bummer when some one dies. I personally do not feel a need to offer condolences as I did not know the victim nor anyone with ties to them. |
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I don't get it. What makes some of you assume automatically that it's a guy who doesn't know anything about climbing, and is just a "dumb hiker" who tried to free solo without even knowing the definition? |
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Allen Sanderson wrote:First it is always a bummer when some one dies. I personally do not feel a need to offer condolences as I did not know the victim nor anyone with ties to them.I agree, who exactly am I offering condolonces too???? The internet fairies? Sad someone died but sending out mental "positive vibes" is going to do nothing for him or the family. You guys can all feel better about yourselves for starting out your responses with "condolonces" though, you are all much better people now and can pat yourselves on the back. |
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M. C. wrote:I don't get it. What makes some of you assume automatically that it's a guy who doesn't know anything about climbing, and is just a "dumb hiker" who tried to free solo without even knowing the definition?Because it sounds like he was hiking and decided to scramble up some chossy cliff non vertical cliff band which he fell off of. Most climbers I know would not do that. They would either use ropes or go free solo an actual route.... Its pretty obvious, even from the poorly written article, that the guy knew nothing about rock climbing. Thats not a knock on him as there is nothing wrong with not knowing anythign about climbing, just an observation... And please explain to me how its disrespectful of the dead to suggest they do not know anything about climbing??? Especially since it sounds like he wasn't a climber.... I wouldnt be offended if someone said I knew nothing about quantam mechaincs, its just a fact I know nothing about it. |
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It is very sad he died. I don't think anyone really thinks otherwise. It has been stated above, but the media should differentiate between a climber & hiker, or some young kids playing around. Just because he is 'touching rock' does not make him a climber, & by the media lumping it all together creates a certain irresponsible idea of all climbers. & if he was mimicking, say, Alex Honnold, well, that was his irresponsible choice. Not Alex's, not the Television set. His, & his alone. But i don't think that was the case. Most likely he didn't even know who Honnold was... |
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What a bunch of white people problems. Am I supposed to cry everytime someone tumbles off a cliff? A person probably dies in the third world every second because they don't have enough to eat, or the step on a land mine, etc. How about offering them condolences? You would have to mutter the word every second or more to keep up. So, unless you directly know the person or family your condolences are strictly self serving. |