Technique???

Wish I could do a 100 pull ups, I would love to know how much this guy pays in chiropractor fees?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClbQGjOoNFc

What that guy is doing is not really a pull-up, it looks like the technique some arborists use to haul themselves up a tree- the hip-thrust. It's mostly core strength, and as long as it's compressed there is little stress on the back, if any.

Ho hum. Note the leg kick action. Those aren't even close to honest pullups. Of course, there are people who can do 100 honest pullups, probably just not this guy.

I met a 100 pullup guy in the gym who couldn't do a single one-arm pullup. I wondered whether his emphasis on slow-twitch development might even have made him weaker than he might have been.

People argue whether pullup strength has any value in climbing. I'm positive that it does, but no one at any level needs to be able to do more than ten or so. Higher pullup strength, i.e. one-arm lockoff ability, is far more relevant and is not equivalent to or necessarily developed by high-rep pullup exercises.

what i think is funny is that he can only do a few at a time even with that technique. i am sure i could many climbers could do a 100 much faster the real way - not all at once of course.

i came across the crossfit games on espn last weekend and it is semi interesting to watch if you have something else to do as well. they are certainly all athletes in their own right, but it's interesting to see what exercises they pick to 'compete.' these sort of pullups, squats (normal), a swim, hand raise pushups (lower to chest raise hands each time), and a run. that's all i could stand to watch. i think it's a cult and they're all going to do a coordinated suicide one day.

Kipping is lame.

Kipping pull-ups make it easier and faster to do a muscle up on a bar, which is handy for parkour.

Will Gadd (Ice climber) does crossfit to keep in shape and makes it clear on his blog that kipping will cost a climber some strength when compared to normal pull ups. Sure, you can do more, but if you can't lock off or do it with control, it's useless for climbing.

Not judging anyone, but it's a shame that there is a sport made around working out. Any time you add competition to what is supposed to be training, you get odd results in my opinion.

Mark E Dixon wrote:Kipping pull-ups make it easier and faster to do a muscle up on a bar, which is handy for parkour.

Which is lame. Static hang to muscle up with clean form. Kipping is poor form and only proves you can't do the movement correctly. I don't care if crossfit has it in their games.

For what it's worth, the corp has excluded kipping for more than 10 years.

Ray, do you know anything about parkour?
I don't think it's lame in context. JLP mentioned that he thought kips were good for something. One of those things is parkour.
FWIW, when I train pull-ups I do legit no swing pull ups. When I train for parkour muscle ups I do kips.
Mark

Mark E Dixon wrote:Ray, do you know anything about parkour? I don't think it's lame in context. JLP mentioned that he thought kips were good for something. One of those things is parkour. FWIW, when I train pull-ups I do legit no swing pull ups. When I train for parkour muscle ups I do kips. Mark

When I muscle up I do shit like split logs, or wrastle hogs, legit, no fishhookin' or nothin'.

The kipping and dropping to the bottom of the range is way harder on the GH joint than the back.

I think that one of the more interesting parts of the video is that the 1st time up: 20reps
2nd: 11 reps
3rd: 8reps
4th: 6reps
Then beyond that it's anywhere from 3-6reps, makes you wonder what's failing...my money is on grip strength.

Mark E Dixon wrote:Ray, do you know anything about parkour? I don't think it's lame in context. JLP mentioned that he thought kips were good for something. One of those things is parkour. FWIW, when I train pull-ups I do legit no swing pull ups. When I train for parkour muscle ups I do kips. Mark

In the context of climbing and Cross-Fit, kipping is lame (which is what we're talking about). As mentioned it's hard on joints, I get tendinitis from Kipping and unsupported dead hangs. My muscle-ups improved when I started using a weight vest, not by kipping. Swinging around on a pull-up bar trying to convince yourself you're awesome is the pot of gold at the end of a gay rainbow.

A weight vest is a good idea, I'll try that if I get a chance. My bar muscle ups are ok, but I'd be happier if I could do them symmetrically. For parkour though, I'll stick to kips.
For climbing, kips seem pointless to me. Even regular pull ups may have limited training value.
I don't know anything about crossfit, maybe it works for them.

youtube.com/watch?v=rgH_ZoM…

I think this pretty much sums it up.

PT

pull ups

All that bouncing on to the strait arm. Do this over prolonged period of time and your elbows will be shot!

I've been doing Crossfit and Sealfit workouts for years. Kipping has a place in my training. I also do strict chest-to-bar pull ups and a wide variety of other exercises.

A lot of folks look down on kipping because of how it looks and don't give it a chance. I use kipping for increasing the aerobic intensity of my workouts. Kipping allows you to keep moving when you are tired. This is useful for some of the workouts that I like to do.

Example: With a 40lb pack on
- march up and down one flight of stairs ten times
- 25 push ups
- 10 burpee pull ups
- 10 sit ups on the back extension / glut. ham. developer
5 rounds of the above for time.

The workout that I posted above typically takes me 50 - 55 minutes and I am gasping for breath during the burpee pull ups with the pack on. The kips allow me to continue.

Kipping pull ups shouldn't be thought of as a pull up as they are a totally different exercise. You can also kip handstand push ups, toes to bar, knees to elbows, etc. That doesn't mean that the kip version of those exercises are worthless, it just means that you need to evaluate what they will do for your training and add them if they will help.

Why don't you replace the exercise you can't do properly with something else. Or drop the backpack? Or use some form of aid to do an actual pull up? Seems you would get more benefit from a change up than from aerobic kipping.

Pt

J.B. didn't need to kip. Keepin' it smooth......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oIeK0YtclU

paintrain wrote:Why don't you replace the exercise you can't do properly with something else. Or drop the backpack? Or use some form of aid to do an actual pull up? Seems you would get more benefit from a change up than from aerobic kipping. Pt

I think you're missing the point. I can do both of the exercises properly (kips and pull ups), but I choose to use kips because they fit well into my training program. Kips have helped me become more fit. I don't drop the backpack because that would defeat the purpose of moving a heavy pack quickly for about an hour. I don't do strict dead-hang pull ups because it would slow my pace. Kips work, and work well, for what I need. My point is that they can have a place in a well developed training program.

To give you a little background on me - I weigh 175lbs. I train for powerlifting, strong man comps, climbing and mountaineering. In Feb. I won a powerlifting comp (squat, bench and deadlift). I'm headed to Rainier and Hood in the end of June and competing in a strongman event in the end of July (I won the light weight division 2 yrs ago). Crossfit and similar programs provide a type of training where you can do many things well. That being said, it may not the best if you are training exclusively for climbing.

I understand what you are doing. I just assumed that a structured workout is organized to meet certain objectives. If they were meant to be burpee kip ups, then they would be called burpee kip ups. I was offering a suggestion to help to do the pull ups as part of that structured routine - that is all.

I don't doubt you are fit (that work out sounds brutal - kipping or pull ups).

PT