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I'm always tired

mtoensing · · AZ · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 705

I recommend a heavy sativa. Indica always puts me to sleep too.

Jeremy Hand · · Northern VA · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 100
Matt Toensing wrote:I recommend a heavy sativa. Indica always puts me to sleep too.
Man I wish that was my problem!!!!!!!
KevinCO · · Loveland, CO · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 60

Everybody has great advice...also, try to find water that is flouride free. If you can't find any, get a Reverse Osmosis filter-it will remove most of the flouride. Flouride suppresses thyroid function which can lead to fatigue among many other symptoms. A thyroid test may not show that flouride is 'gumming up the works'. In addition to water, some non-organic foods can be extremely high in flouride because of the aluminum flouride compounds used in non-organic farming.

You might also be low in iodine, get the blood test everyone is recommending to find out. Kelp powder is a great way to add natural iodine and is a good salt subsitute.

You joked about getting exposed to radiation. It is not reported, but fallout has been a problem and is continuing to be a problem. A bentonite clay cleanse can neutrilize radiation. Curcumin and tumeric can protect against radiation damage.

Try a mostly vegetarian diet, chicken can definitely slow you down. A juicer can make a world of difference. A glass of raw vegetable juice with meals will add a lot of energy.

Make sure that you omit any sources of high glycemic processed food that can lower your blook sugar. Quinoa is a great energy food. A serving of germinated chia seed (1/3 cup) with a meal will slow food absorption, keeping your blood sugar stable.

A gluten free diet should defintitey be considered. I noticed a big increase in energy.

Korean Ginseng is an adaptogen that can normalize any bodily systems that are out of whack. Look for a standardized extract.

When trying any of these modalities, be patient. It may take a week or two for any effects to show. Gluten free will take the longest.

One more: I started taking curcumin (an extract of tumeric that is a very powerful antioxidant and also is an antiinflammatory), and it seems to be giving me extra energy.

TresSki Roach · · Santa Fe, NM · Joined May 2002 · Points: 605

Are you having a problem with muscular tension and spasms? Anxiety?

Christian RodaoBack · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 1,486

An ongoing anxiety issue will kill your energy, and definitely not be fixed by 5 days of Klonopin. A longer course of an antidepressant that also works on anxiety or of some kind of supplement like 5HTP might help.

And too much sustained anxiety can cause depression as well.

It amazes me that anybody could have an anxiety disorder and not at least suspect that they do, but I've seen it happen.

APBT1976 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 55
Aerili wrote: Oh, right, docs are not trained to follow any sort of algorithm to rule out possible problems with corresponding symptoms in order to come up with a proper diagnosis. All those years of school are devoted to guessing. You clearly have an excellent grasp of what goes on during medical training. +1000
There is merit to both trains of thought "Western/Eastern" the problem is most often those trained in a specific area are convinced that what they know or have been taught is the answer.

I believe it is this attitude "personal agenda/belief system" that most often gets in the way of people being treated/diagnosed properly by medical professionals on either side of the street eastern/western. Well that and the almighty $$$$$

Once something becomes personal or about $$$$$ all rational and objectivity goes out the window 99.9% of the time!!!

Just my opinion you are welcome to yours. I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back. I refuse to be a chemistry experiment for this world gone astray!!
TresSki Roach · · Santa Fe, NM · Joined May 2002 · Points: 605
APBT1976 wrote: I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back. I refuse to be a chemistry experiment for this world gone astray!!
I could not agree more as I'm one of those people who is a medication side effect statistic. I will always look to natural methods first.
ErikaNW · · Golden, CO · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 410

As many others have suggested, doesn't hurt to get a medical work-up and opinion. If a diagnosis is made and treatment is suggested, the course you choose take is yours to decide.

The concern I have is missing something in the early stages that might be treatable by attempting to self-diagnose and self-treat with natural methods. Unexplained fatigue (although it sounds as though there may be more to your particular story) is NOT normal in a healthy 21 year old.

I have known too many young, healthy people who ignored signs and symptoms, or turned to the internet for answers, when they actually had something serious going on like leukemia. Is that likely? Probably not, but it never hurts to rule out the baddies with a simple medical work-up and then go from there.

Good luck to you!

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
Christian wrote: It amazes me that anybody could have an anxiety disorder and not at least suspect that they do, but I've seen it happen.
Any frog boiled slowly may not jump.
Likewise, as a dyslexic people always ask me what it is like - I always reply. It's normal to me, so I can't explain it. (Shrug) if you can tell me what it's like NOT being dyslexic, I can point out the differences.
Same goes for anxiety, OCD, depression, ADHD, etc... it's hard to know when your frame of reference moves with you.
DexterRutecki · · Cincinnati, Ohio · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 0
APBT1976 wrote: I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back. I refuse to be a chemistry experiment for this world gone astray!!
Id like to see you say that when you actually need modern medicine.... Easy to talk a big game now.
Aerili · · Los Alamos, NM · Joined Mar 2007 · Points: 1,875
APBT1976 wrote: I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back.
I am totally fine with mother earth taking back you and only you. My problem is that when your non-vaccinated ass comes down with tuberculosis, mumps, typhoid, yellow fever, or things like that, you take other people with you.
Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
Aerili wrote: I am totally fine with mother earth taking back you and only you. My problem is that when your non-vaccinated ass comes down with tuberculosis, mumps, typhoid, yellow fever, or things like that, you take other people with you.
I agree, you shouldn't expose others to your diseases just because of personal belief.
Christian RodaoBack · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 1,486
Tony B wrote: Any frog boiled slowly may not jump. Likewise, as a dyslexic people always ask me what it is like - I always reply. It's normal to me, so I can't explain it. (Shrug) if you can tell me what it's like NOT being dyslexic, I can point out the differences. Same goes for anxiety, OCD, depression, ADHD, etc... it's hard to know when your frame of reference moves with you.
Yeah, that makes sense. Also, considering the social expectations (usually) placed on men, denial may also be an issue.

I'm not trying to diagnose anybody over the Internet, just adding to the discussion of the possibilities.
APBT1976 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 55
DexterRutecki wrote: Id like to see you say that when you actually need modern medicine.... Easy to talk a big game now.
Ow i will..

I see how well modern medicine has worked for my parents grand parents so forth and so on. Fix one problem "maybe if you get lucky" and create ten more! All in a miserable attempt to extend a life all the while reducing its quality to next to nothing anyway.

Nah sitting in a chair having to be taken care of just because i am afraid of death is not for me. I am not that afraid of death to be honest and i dont quite understand why most are? The idea does not bother me quite enough to go through the crap most are willing just to postpone the inevitable. To be honest i am more afraid of sitting in a chair in miserable condition helpless not being able to call it a day.
APBT1976 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 55
Aerili wrote: I am totally fine with mother earth taking back you and only you. My problem is that when your non-vaccinated ass comes down with tuberculosis, mumps, typhoid, yellow fever, or things like that, you take other people with you.
Good thing in this modern day we/i do not really have to worry about any of that as the choice was made for me at birth!

Lets just say i am in no big rush to go out and get the new HPV vac!!!

I agree when your choices start effecting others you gotta consider that. I say the same can be said for people deciding for me that all these vaccines are not bad for me and do not possibly create problems of their own. Again the same can be said for either side, depends what side of the fence you are on.

I say my body my choice. I do get that when i start paying for some dicks cancer treatment that gave it to him self smoking butts you have a bit of a conundrum. Or the fat fuck living on fast food and garbage and my tax dollars paying their medical bills.
DexterRutecki · · Cincinnati, Ohio · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 0
APBT1976 wrote: Ow i will.. I see how well modern medicine has worked for my parents grand parents so forth and so on. Fix one problem "maybe if you get lucky" and create ten more! All in a miserable attempt to extend a life all the while reducing its quality to next to nothing anyway. Nah sitting in a chair having to be taken care of just because i am afraid of death is not for me. I am not that afraid of death to be honest and i dont quite understand why most are? The idea does not bother me quite enough to go through the crap most are willing just to postpone the inevitable. To be honest i am more afraid of sitting in a chair in miserable condition helpless not being able to call it a day.
Sitting in a chair being spoon fed because you are 90 years old is not what we are talking about.... How about when you have that unexpected heart attack at 35. You would prefer the paramedics/doctors did not use those fancy defibrillator "machines" and skip the life saving meds which could give you another 30+ awesome quality of life years because your body is not a "chemistry experiment".

I take it you have your DNR filled out since you don't want to be saved by fancy medicine that creates ten problems trying to fix one? Haha I am guessing you don't.... be a man for once in your life and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe in modern medicine and want to be left to nature then post up that DNR tough guy!
Tom Fralich · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

"I once thought I had mono for an entire year. It turned out I was just really bored."

-Wayne Campbell

Dan Austin · · San Francisco, CA · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 0

quick, which is more indefensible: denying evolution or scaremongering about vaccines?

Dan Austin · · San Francisco, CA · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 0
DexterRutecki wrote: Sitting in a chair being spoon fed because you are 90 years old is not what we are talking about.... How about when you have that unexpected heart attack at 35. You would prefer the paramedics/doctors did not use those fancy defibrillator "machines" and skip the life saving meds which could give you another 30+ awesome quality of life years because your body is not a "chemistry experiment". I take it you have your DNR filled out since you don't want to be saved by fancy medicine that creates ten problems trying to fix one? Haha I am guessing you don't.... be a man for once in your life and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe in modern medicine and want to be left to nature then post up that DNR tough guy!
well said.

also to add more content to my double post: why don't you (APBT1976) want the HPV vaccine? how do you feel about head and neck cancer?
APBT1976 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 55
DexterRutecki wrote: Sitting in a chair being spoon fed because you are 90 years old is not what we are talking about.... How about when you have that unexpected heart attack at 35. You would prefer the paramedics/doctors did not use those fancy defibrillator "machines" and skip the life saving meds which could give you another 30+ awesome quality of life years because your body is not a "chemistry experiment". I take it you have your DNR filled out since you don't want to be saved by fancy medicine that creates ten problems trying to fix one? Haha I am guessing you don't.... be a man for once in your life and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe in modern medicine and want to be left to nature then post up that DNR tough guy!
Funny you should mention the DNR as it is a topic that has come up on more than one occasion this past year. Watching my aging grandfather whom has never been of very good health yoyo back and forth between maintaining and this may be my last trip to hospital. And then listen to him say to us all i am done i have had enough in one breath then in the next tell us i just cant do that to your grandmother only to make it back home to a piss poor existence for all involved only to wish it would just end as he is way too tired as he has now been fighting tooth and nail for multiple years.

Yeah all that along with my risky climbing behavior has made me ask these questions for the first time in my life. "Really we cant just say enough is enough when we are all done if we are that sick and we dont see the point anymore nor do others around us?" Sorry that is freaking nuts to me! I know if i get injured and stuck in a chair i for one am all done thats it the end of the line for me.

Life is busy and no i do not have a DNR but then again i just figured out what one was and that it was a real option in the last 6 months. I assure i will have one by 40, i am 35 now.

I have talked about this with my mother my one or two of my other friends that i know share the same distaste for modern medicine as i. Sure a heart attack is one thing. Stuck on heart medication that ends up creating another problem and maybe not being able to do the things i love "not ok" and i no i am not interested. Lipator for high cholesterol sorry not ok again i will take the high cholesterol. The paddles of course i will take those but if i wake up without my legs i think i should be able to say knock back out and for good this time!!

I don't see what is so weird about not wanting to fight nature and when ones time comes being ok with it. Even if that time is a heart problem and not wanting the meds, or knowing you would loose your freaking mind stuck in a chair and you are not up for loosing your mind. The only real reason i see for not taking the meds or suffering out a major injury is leaving those that love you behind when you had another option. On the other hand if you are just miserable what good are you really doing them making them watch that?

Anyway go to the doctor it will all add up to a piece of the puzzle and if nothing else get you one step closer to the real answer. My guess is the caffeine, medications, extra work are the real culprit but who knows something major could be wrong. I am not saying that is not the case nor am i saying you should take the stance i do in regard to modern medicine. I go to regular and holistic doctors. I just do not let either one of them decide for me what is wrong with me before i consider all angles and get many second third and fourth opinions and can decide for myself.
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