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Patagonia R1 hoody or something similar

S Denny · · Aspen, CO · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 20

you're overthinking this purchase. buy an R1.

bearbreeder · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 3,065
Ray Pinpillage wrote: Not with the $20 of Canadian shipping they charge. You can find an R1 Hoody on sale for the same price.
take a climbing trip to the bugs/squamish/rockies ... or move to commie cananda ...problem solved

its not like the R1 is ALWAYS on sale in the size and colors you want ... often times they are or arent depending on yr luck ...

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JulianB · · Florence, SC · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 15

Do you have any local shops where you can try stuff on? It's always good to find the best cut possible for your body shape.

Personally I like the OR Radiant Hybrid Hoody a lot more than the R1 for fit and construction, plus it's cheaper.

daniel arthur · · Auburn,Al · Joined Mar 2007 · Points: 35
S Denny wrote:you're overthinking this purchase. buy an R1.
You call it overthinking, I call it passing time at work...

I will probably buy a R1, this was just an attempt to try and find something I didnt know about. I really like the NW Alpine Spider and the Salamon piece. Before this thread I was unaware of them.

@Julian: No not really. That is why I asked folks with a similar frame about sizing. Going to have to make an educated guess, and make certain wherever I buy from has a good return/exchange policy.
Chris Plesko · · Westminster, CO · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 485

Daniel you want a medium R1. I'm the same size as you essentially and a medium is perfect.

Steve0 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 5

I've got an R1 and it's been a great piece that I always have with me, I would buy one again, but there is another company that, in my opinion, is more deserving of our business. NWAlpine is a company in Oregon that makes all of their pieces in Oregon, novel idea, huh? They're always a pleasure to deal with and make some excellent, straightforward, alpine-oriented gear.

Here's a link to a piece they make that is similar to the R1,
nwalpine.com/black-spider-l…

daniel arthur · · Auburn,Al · Joined Mar 2007 · Points: 35

@ Steve0: How does the spider handle the wind?

Steve0 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 5
daniel arthur wrote:@ Steve0: How does the spider handle the wind?
I don't own one so I don't know. I probably should've searched the thread, just saw all of the previous recommendations for the same piece.

I find that a decent wind cuts right through an R1 and that the piece isn't really made to handle that. With a light shell on though it is an action suit; really versatile.
Aaron Nash · · North Bend, WA · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 212
daniel arthur wrote:@ Steve0: How does the spider handle the wind?
I own two. They are basically an R1 hoody without the brand name price, made in the USA. Their customer service is top notch, and Bill is an awesome guy!

I don't know what you want to know about their performance in the wind? These aren't made to be a wind stopping layer, they're a heavy base layer or light mid layer. They'll block more wind than a T-shirt, but both pieces (R1 or the BSLH) are fairly thin, so don't expect too much in terms of cutting the wind.
Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
Aaron Nash wrote: I own two. They are basically an R1 hoody without the brand name price, made in the USA. Their customer service is top notch, and Bill is an awesome guy! I don't know what you want to know about their performance in the wind? These aren't made to be a wind stopping layer, they're a heavy base layer or light mid layer. They'll block more wind than a T-shirt, but both pieces (R1 or the BSLH) are fairly thin, so don't expect too much in terms of cutting the wind.
Only not, the NWA Hoody is much lighter weight. I thought the NWA would be a suitable less expensive replacement because people on forums kept saying they are the same but the NWA Hoody is closest to Capilene 2 weight from Patagonia.
Robert Buswold · · Northglenn, CO · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 80
daniel arthur wrote:How do the Salomon Swift and NW alpine spider stand against the wind?
Salomon Swift is pretty decent in the wind. I was wearing one on Shirttail Peak in Eldo a couple of weeks ago during about 40 MPH wind and I was pretty comfortable. Of course it's not a wind-jacket, but it's really not bad.
climbskihike · · New Mexico · Joined May 2011 · Points: 250

I'm 6' 160 and have the R1 Hoody and Pullover in a medium, and love them both. They both have a slim/performance fit which for me is on the snugger side, but the large was way too big.

I've worn a cap 2 or 3 long sleeve underneath at times, but they really work better for me with just a cap 1 T-shirt or right on the skin - you are better off layering over the R1 when needed than under it. I find that I get some bunching and constriction with anything more underneath. It is super comfortable on the skin, I've used it a bunch skiing as well as climbing. I don't use them as a casual layer much because of the snug fit, but they are the absolute best technical base/2nd layer I have tried for colder weather.

Dane · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 562
Ray Pinpillage wrote: Only not, the NWA Hoody is much lighter weight. I thought the NWA would be a suitable less expensive replacement because people on forums kept saying they are the same but the NWA Hoody is closest to Capilene 2 weight from Patagonia.
Agreed..good piece but not the same weight to a R1.

Lots of wool versions out that will replace a R1. Shak Hoody for example. My favorite is the super lwt version from Sherpa Ad Gear. But wool won't dry as fast or keep you as dry as a NWAlpine product or the R1. They all have their place in the right conditions.
S. Fischer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2011 · Points: 35

After looking for possible alternatives to the r1, I picked up a Wild Things hoody and really like it. I wish it had thumb loops, but it performed well on my last trip. Feels great next to skin or over a short sleeve.

They also have a full zip wind version that I picked up and used once... very versatile piece.

wildthingsgear.com/wild-thi…

mugsy · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 0

Why does everyone love the thumb loops so much? That is always the highest wear area for me...

matt davies · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2007 · Points: 25
mugsy wrote:Why does everyone love the thumb loops so much? That is always the highest wear area for me...
I like them because I find as long as I use them, my hands will stay warm except for the coldest (or windy) approaches, and I don't have to deal with soaked out approach gloves.
Kevin · · California · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0
Aaron Nash wrote: I own two. They are basically an R1 hoody without the brand name price, made in the USA. Their customer service is top notch, and Bill is an awesome guy! I don't know what you want to know about their performance in the wind? These aren't made to be a wind stopping layer, they're a heavy base layer or light mid layer. They'll block more wind than a T-shirt, but both pieces (R1 or the BSLH) are fairly thin, so don't expect too much in terms of cutting the wind.
I love my NW Alpine Spider Light, too. Lighter than an R1 so it's functional as a baselayer. Stops less wind than an R1, but they both suck at blocking the wind.

Ray Pinpillage wrote: Only not, the NWA Hoody is much lighter weight. I thought the NWA would be a suitable less expensive replacement because people on forums kept saying they are the same but the NWA Hoody is closest to Capilene 2 weight from Patagonia.
Cap 2 is over the top. I think the NW Alpine is in between Cap 4 (aka R.5) and R1, so I equate it to the mythical Cap .75. As a base layer, the NW Alpine is much more functional than the R1 IMO, as it isn't as warm. The NW Alpine has roughly the same feature set as the R1, but it's designed for warmer weather.

There are options in Power Stretch (e.g. Wild Things, MH Desna), but they're even warmer than the R1. The R1 is a classic piece, and the only direct competitors might be MEC and Rab (their Baseline hoody is a UK fit of the R1 and without the Cap 4 panels). I've found the R1 to be too much warmth until the highs are below 20º, YMMV. I'd look at the Power Stretch pieces if you're generally cold, you move slow, or swim with penguins on your days off.
Brian Croce · · san diego, CA · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 60

Dane highly recommends mammuts yukon tech jacket. I just picked one up..plan on giving it a run this weekend in the whites.

Kevin · · California · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0
superkick wrote:Dane highly recommends mammuts yukon tech jacket. I just picked one up..plan on giving it a run this weekend in the whites.
I haven't seen one of these and the material is obscure. Is this a fleece or some sort of stretchy soft shell?
Kilroywashere! London · · Harrisonburg, Virginia · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 280

I've got the Desna Jacket from MH, which is i guess their version of the R1 hoody. I wore the r1 for a little over a year before deciding to upgrade to the Desna. very much so glad i did, it has become my go to piece for layering, wearing it over a MH integral baselayer was perfect for a mid 40s-low 50s windy day at seneca. didnt need gloves with the thumbloops, and the material blocked out enough wind to keep comofortable. wouldnt call it completely windproof but it does okay.

im comparison to the r1, i didnt get much wind blocking at all, and because of the material of the thumbloops, i was hesitant to use them without gloves over them for fear of destroying them.(is it a capilene material?) i did like the r1 for the sole fact of the thinner material at the bottom of the piece, again, im assuming it is a capilene material, it was great for tucking it into ski pants without the bunching up of a ton of layers.

i have two downsides to the desna. 1-its heavy, and doesnt pack up as small as the r1, this has been remedied by mh by offering the desna pullover, which was mentioned earlier. but, that model lacks thumbloops, which was the reason i went with the jacket vs. pullover.
reason 2-it can smell very bad. for some reason if i sweat just a little in the desna, it reeks all to high heaven. (a similar qualm i have with the integral baselayer, but what can i say, they do their jobs too damn well for that to really matter.)

other than that, i'd say that the desna is worth the extra 10 dollars you'll spend on it than the r1 hoody. im very happy with my purchase, and maybe one day will pick up the pullover just to see how it goes...

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