Ticks posted on mountain project page

Jongy Q wrote:Basically, if your too stupid to remember what routes you have done in the past than you are just dumb enough to think that ticking a route is whatever you want it to be. A tick list is a different story. Lee is right. A tick list can be many things. It can be a list of goals or a list of accomplishments. However, if you say that you have ticked a route there is only one definition to that statement. It means you have complete the lead of a route from bottom to top without falling or weighting the rope. A tick list is not a list of routes you have feebly top-roped or fondled. Arguing on mountainproject proves you are a noob.

Have you ever posted anything that was actually climbing-related, or that suggested that you climbed anything ever? I need to know where I stand in this dickwaving contest, and you don't have any TICKS.

Ticks on The Nose of El Capitan

More "chuff" here. Can you believe those liars who ticked and then commented that they climbed The Nose in a day. They should know that the tick functionality on that page was reserved for only Lynn Hill, Tommy Caldwell, Beth Rodden, and all those people who are going to redpoint The Nose.

Eric Fjellanger wrote: Have you ever posted anything that was actually climbing-related, or that suggested that you climbed anything ever? I need to know where I stand in this dickwaving contest, and you don't have any TICKS.

The statement I made was climbing related. By simply knowing what a "tick" is I have proved that I am not nearly as nooby as you. This suggests that I climb more than you and with more knowledgeable people as well. Any other idiocy I can clear up?

had a tick on my sack few weeks ago. On a scale of removal difficulty, i would give it a 5.9c.

Does anyone know what the hell a 'real climber' is anyway?

Tick list or not, other than a bunch of panzy pricked pee-pubescent pebble poppers, nobody really cares. Tick every route in the database, whoopdity friggin do, you're awesome!

FYI my 'ticks' are a route/climb log. Don't want anyone to get any ideas about any unintentional spraying on my part.

This thread got me worried - what else am I doing wrong and what do the real climbers think about it?

Why tick routes? Because it feels so good.

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No Tick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
No Do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who cares? Climb because you enjoy it. You may discover a life of dear friends and great adventures beyond any tick. Climbing itself is the only thing I've been passionate about, and I am thankful to have found it.

Ahhhh! A tick!

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Eric Fjellanger wrote: Have you ever posted anything that was actually climbing-related, or that suggested that you climbed anything ever? I need to know where I stand in this dickwaving contest, and you don't have any TICKS.

The secret is that Johny Q is only 12 years old and has only climbed on a few boulders in his parents back yard, hence it's easy for him to remember all of his "ticks".

Little Johny, many of us have been climbing since your mom was panicking after that "mistake", therefore we unfortunately need to write things down (you will learn to write soon too!) in order to remember the hundreds or thousands of routes we have done. Don't worry, someday when you are older you will understand.

BTW, say "Hello Babe" to your mom for me ;) That was one hell of a party we had! So long ago now I can't even remember what happened. Good thing I have that "tick" list somewhere.

i use mountain project for my personal use and the ticks in order to remember each climb i've tried. if i fall i note it. if you're concerned with why someone else ticks something i'd argue you have too much free time.

Back when MountainProject was young, I used to look at the number of comments a route had in order to judge how "popular" the route might be. As MountainProject has moved into its teen years, many of those comments sections have turned into forums ... so I look at the number of ticks, number of people assigning stars, and number of people giving ratings to judge "popularity." I don't really care whether anyone's tick reflects any sense of climbing style, but I do find it useful that people mark them.

I think one of the first questions you have to ask yourself about any data, is not what it's supposed to mean, but what it really means.

It would be fun/useful if we could also set up our own arbitrary route lists, just showing up on our personal page. That way I could keep track of "Routes I've done with Burt," "Routes I've done in Winter," "Routes I've done Hexes-only," "Bechler's routes I've done," etc, etc.

perhaps this has been beaten to death, but my take on this is-

1. the tick list should be whatever you want it to be. i personally, keep track of the things i've lead without falling... redpoint or flash, whatever. i don't put a tick unless i got it clean. however, some climbers don't lead, and that's fine. some will never lead, and enjoy tr. go ahead and add a tick for a lap on tr or use it for things you've gotten on. who cares?

2. along with a tick should come your own opinion on the grade of the climb. this is where what you do affects the things on MP.com. i think that only a true grade can come with a clean lead of the route. obviously, the route will be at least slightly harder with adding draws and clipping them or gear for that matter. i think it's too bad that some will grade a route having only tr-ed it or fallen on it several times. i think only a true grade of a climb can come with successful fall-free completion of it on lead.

for those of you wanting a "private tick list"... get a notepad, pencil, and don't tick on mp. time to tick off some leads and trs at the forks.

I don't understand why people even care unless they are trying to evaluate someone as a potential climbing partner. Anyhow, it's more of a climbing log for me. I personally could care less what someone thinks of me as a climber cause I climb for me and not anyone else. To each his/her own I guess

I can't say I've "ticked" Everest just because I've been on the mountain or trekked to base camp. Just like I can't say I've "ticked" Flesh for Lulu, the Naked Edge, or Heinous Cling just because I've been on those climbs. Until I've redpointed, they stay on my list as "undone".

It's fine to use the feature however you want, but the word "tick" was chosen for a reason; it isn't "tries" or "attempts".

I frequently use this feature to evaluate routes or partners... I find it telling when I look up a route that I'd like to do, notice it's been ticked 10 times, but when I read further I see that nine of those are people following the route, bailing off the route, or dogging their way up the route.

My log here is in more of the Fred Beckey sense of I got up the route. If you want stylistic considerations or where I am climbing at right now, you're going to have to ask me.

I am not surprised some would like to authorize the correct way of doing the most trivial task, but they will have to take their self-ordained little power trip with them when they fuck right off ;). Go on now.

JLP wrote:However, the base assumption is that if you tick it, you freed it. That's what "tick" means and everyone but the most inexperienced of noobs knows it. If you add a note saying you didn't free it, that's fine too. It's fine because everyone also knows the tick feature gets used in many different ways here by many different people. BUT - if you don't free it and don't add a note - then you're a liar. You're telling everyone on the internet that you did something that you actually didn't. There are a LOT of lies on the tick pages. Oh I got on this route, it was great, here's my beta - but I'm not going to tell you that I haven't freed it, and further I lack what it takes to EVER free it - but I'm not going to let people in on that part because I really like the feeling my ego gets with them thinking I freed it. You guys are liars, plain and simple. It's the same thing with the same characters in person. When you say you "did a route", and nothing more, the assumption is that you freed it. You are lying if you don't immediately correct that assumption, if necessary.

Another strong argument for making the tick list on MP private.

There's clearly a lot more rules to this than I knew about.

If I pulled on a cam on lead and forgot to mention it in a tick list that I use as a personal diary, then I'm a liar? Wow. Harsh.

I should be concerned about what other MP users will infer from my ticks? That sounds like some seriously self-absorbed logic. I'd also say that you're taking it waaay to seriously if that's how you feel. It's climbing. Put it in perspective.

I think the tick list is a great feature, and I use it not only to keep track of routes I've climbed, but who I've climbed them with, when they were climbed, and any special notes that I might want to recall later (I'm way to stupid to remember amusing minutia about a climb, but it's fun to document it to recollect it later). It also makes it easier for me to find photos of the day on my Flickr photostream.

That said, I don't use it to let other's know what I've been climbing. If you look at my tick list, you'll see that it's nothing to brag about. Ha! Would be nice if it was private. The MP community would be no worse off for not having visibility into my ticks.

JLP wrote: I'm pretty sure Fred knows the difference between aid climbing and free climbing. I'm fine with whatever people use the tick list for. It's a free site. However, the base assumption is that if you tick it, you freed it. That's what "tick" means and everyone but the most inexperienced of noobs knows it. If you add a note saying you didn't free it, that's fine too. It's fine because everyone also knows the tick feature gets used in many different ways here by many different people. BUT - if you don't free it and don't add a note - then you're a liar. You're telling everyone on the internet that you did something that you actually didn't. There are a LOT of lies on the tick pages. Oh I got on this route, it was great, here's my beta - but I'm not going to tell you that I haven't freed it, and further I lack what it takes to EVER free it - but I'm not going to let people in on that part because I really like the feeling my ego gets with them thinking I freed it. You guys are liars, plain and simple. It's the same thing with the same characters in person. When you say you "did a route", and nothing more, the assumption is that you freed it. You are lying if you don't immediately correct that assumption, if necessary.

Hahahaha!!! This is all very serious for you. Nope, I don't owe you a damn thing with the tick list here. Again, I say FRON and have a good day!

edit: The crowning irony is that JLP doesn't even have any ticks listed on mountainproject. It takes all types. I'm pissing myself here with laughter!