Cochise Raptor Closures Update
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Hey all, I've been in contact with the USFS lately to get the most up-to-date raptor closures for the Stronghold. Here's part of the email I received detailing the current closure. Rockfellow Complex and What's My Line/Cochise Dome remain the only closed features in the Stronghold. If you like the heat, it looks like the USFS will continue to entertain the possibility of lifting closures early according to falcon nest status. |
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I have updated Cochise Stronghold to remove the old closure notice. Now, the most current closure info only shows up on the pages for WML (Cochise) Dome and the Rockfellow Group. Thanks for getting this information Andy. |
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Thanks Andy! Well done. |
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Update: I and another concerned climber recently met with USFS and AZGFD wildlife specialists to talk about the raptor closures. I was hoping to begin development of a more adaptive management process(a la Boulder Open Space)regarding raptor closures in SEAZ , beginning with the Rockfellows. Unfortunately, due to their structure, the domes don't seem to lend themselves to this idea, so a no-go there. However, the March 1st closure date for the Rockfellows was actually in dispute between the USFS and AZGFD (AZGFD thought it was February 15!), but we managed to secure March 1st as the official date [a little background here: AZGFD controls wildlife management in AZ, while the USFS is tasked with managing the land that wildlife lives on, and AZGFD often has the final say here]. |
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Andy Bennett wrote:the District has added two new areas to their closures this year, apparently without any coordination with or even notice given to climbers.Andy, what are the two new areas? When I look at their website, it looks like the same ole areas.... |
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Those same ole areas being... |
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Those are the areas... |
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To my knowledge, Branching Out Crag was recently added. At the meeting USFS/AZGFD appeared to include Mojo Wall as part of BOC, which it essentially is. They also think that Wheeler Wall should be closed for some reason, but this might be an identity issue. |
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Thanks for the clarification Bob, Larry. So the BOC is the new Wheeler Wall. I should have guessed that they had to go through such lengths to get a closure order... |
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I also wanted to get involved in this but was advised by several significantly more senior members of the climbing community than I to let sleeping dogs lie. However, let me know if you need people to show up for something... |
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Hi Nick- I've been told the same thing. From my experiences working for the USFS, USFWS and USGS, I know that "letting sleeping dogs" lie means missing opportunities to create more workable partnerships and to potentially modify the processes. The agencies would often rather not change, and when they do have to, would rather not hear from us about it (try to find a USFS project document on something as trivial as raptor closures and tell me how long it takes you). |
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I hope that anyone interested and concerned about this will chime in. I am not trying to "step around the old guard" on this issue, but the feedback that I've gotten from them has been to basically shut up and ignore the USFS. I don't march to that drum. I've been fortunate to meet some of the agency personnel involved in this issue through my job, and I've found that they don't either. |
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@ Andy - Keep me updated on your interest in the Catalina's. Ironically I have visited Cochise during the ban JUST to see the raptors... They are beautiful demons of speed. It is true that we need to be more involved as time goes on, with advancements in technology we are learning so much more about species and they're cohabitation in urban settings. I'd be totally down to attend one of your forays... |
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BenJamN wrote:"Pusch Ridge Wilderness: Some portions closed January 1April 30 (bighorn sheep)." has anyone ever seen a bighorn in the catalinas? Thanks for the Update. Although wasn't it always Cochise Dome and Rockfellow group?There hasn't been a bighorn sighting in 15+ years, if I remember right. However, this thread is from 2011. You might want to look at the date next time. |
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My understanding is that there are no bighorns in the Cats right NOW, but they WILL be reintroduced (again) soon. The agency partnership has maintained the closure order for this eventuality, and probably because it's miles of red tape to change it anyhow. |
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Andy Bennett wrote:My understanding is that there are no bighorns in the Cats right NOW, but they WILL be reintroduced (again) soon. The agency partnership has maintained the closure order for this eventuality, and probably because it's miles of red tape to change it anyhow.I have heard this as well. Seems a little futile considering they died out due to the suburban development into their habitat and that said development has not been reversed but actually continued. |
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Actually Alex, my understanding is that a disease, carried by domestic sheep and dogs (as an intermediate host), killed them off. That's why there are old signs prohibiting dogs from certain areas of the Cats. |
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Andy Bennett wrote:Actually Alex, my understanding is that a disease, carried by domestic sheep and dogs (as an intermediate host), killed them off. That's why there are old signs prohibiting dogs from certain areas of the Cats. -AndyThat's actually really interesting. Unfortunately I see a lot of dog owners disobeying the signs, particularly on the Romero Canyon trail exiting Catalina State Park & the Pima Canyon trail. I'll be better about telling people with dogs they should turn around in these areas now that I know that bit of information. |
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That is interesting Andy as the Forest Biologist I spoke with said it was aggressive fire suppression that changed the habitat from more open to overgrown thus making it easier for lions to eat them. The fire policy was designed to save homes in the foothills. This conversation occurred about 3 years after the last sheep was seen. I would be interested to hear what the odds of survival is for these new sheep are. |
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I'm interested in their odds of survival too, Eric. Like most things in nature, it's usually not just one thing that's affecting something like population viability (inbreeding, interspecific competition, forage abundance, habitat change and loss, etc. could all be factors). I had heard from several reputable sources though that, in this case, the disease was the main factor. G&F seems to think that a reintroduction could lead to a stable population and I hope they're right-it would be really cool to have bighorn back in the Catalinas! |