Campfire under Anorexic Roof

I know who set the fire. It was this southern kid with long hair and a bad moustache. He used to live and flag and never sent carnivore so he decided to make the roof pay. He is living on the road now and was so excited about the controversy he caused he will now be going around to all your favorite climbing areas burning and shitting on everything that is classic. If you see him try and stop his fury by buying him food and beer. I here he is quite partial to tinderbox burgers and vodka on the rocks.

shotgunnelson wrote:I know who set the fire. It was this southern kid with long hair and a bad moustache. He used to live and flag and never sent carnivore so he decided to make the roof pay. He is living on the road now and was so excited about the controversy he caused he will now be going around to all your favorite climbing areas burning and shitting on everything that is classic. If you see him try and stop his fury by buying him food and beer. I here he is quite partial to tinderbox burgers and vodka on the rocks.

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dlsask wrote:Within the past two weeks someone had a campfire underneath the Anorexic roof at Priest Draw. Now the entire exit of Anorexic, and a good portion of the rest of the roof is covered in soot. The route is still climbable, and Carnivore and Carnivore Direct are mostly untouched by the soot, but this is still an incredibly inconsiderate act. It's possible that it is not a climber at fault, but in any case we should spread the word and let people know that this happened and it is not okay. I know 99% of people have the common sense to know better, but we need to let people know to: NOT LIGHT ANY FIRES UNDER OR NEAR BOULDERS! and ONLY USE DESIGNATED AREAS IN CAMPSITES! If anyone is planning on heading to the Draw in the near future, bring a big brush and give the Anorexic Roof a courtesy scrub. I know a lot of people have tried to clean it already. Let's keep the classics classic.

This is really sad!! Can the forest service be contacted for permission to put up a sign concerning this???

mountainmaiden wrote: This is really sad!! Can the forest service be contacted for permission to put up a sign concerning this???

Careful what you wish for.

Benjamin Chapman wrote:Since when did climbing/bouldering take precedent over all other uses of the rock in Priest Draw? I'm certain that holds coated with chalk and the areas around the base of rocks/boulders trampled and denuded of vegetation is equally unsightly to others who use the area. Don't be so egocentric!!

What if someone wanted to call the FS to complain about climbers trampling vegetation.

When someone is looking to develop new boulder problems see's a rock with a large amount of plant life growing under it maybe they should just say oh well. But that's not the usual scenario is it. Not arguing against development just saying maybe there should be some basic consideration of plant life and a willingness to forgo climbing on every single rock face.

If someone chooses to trample veg and creates an appealing spot to start a fire well maybe that's karmic justice.

Jimbo wrote:Ya the fact that some climbers decided to climb on this boulder makes it off limits to any other use. Don't these fire starters know bouldering is sacrosanct and takes precedence over any other use of a rock! Here's a historical tidbit guys, Indians, trappers, and backpackers were lighting fires underneath boulders to stay warm and stay out of the rain long before you showed up with your mattresses and boom boxes. Whats more unsightly or more damaging, a line of soot or crossing lines of chalk and obliterated pad trampled undergrowth? You all might want to tone down the egocentric rant a bit. Just saying.

As an avid climber and outdoorsman, I respect what the climbing folks are trying to say. But I would have to agree that it is very egocentric to think that your use of this boulder/overhang is more worthy or important than another's. Get over yourself and remember that nature is there for all of us. Chalk baggers and campers alike!

dale polen wrote:I think the Christian right is trashing Az a lot more then any native group.

You are an idiot. On what do you base this ludicrous statement? Let me guess... you heard it at one of the Occupy loser rallies.?.

David Sahalie wrote: the difference is that climbers are legitimate user group. inbred toothless rednecks that chop down living trees, go 'muddin' in their trucks, and burn gasoline fires with all manners of mcdonalds plastic in them are not a user group.

I totally agree with you on this point. But I don't recall anything in the OP about motorized incursions by off roaders.

And I see that you too have figured out how the interweb works. Posting up stupid redneck photos is a very intellectual way of responding. Not.

Again I agree with your points.

But what I was pointing out in my earlier post was that climbers might think twice about pointing this out to the FS.

Though no doubt there are some who will see this and not care there maybe others who would.

And they could deem bouldering to be an unacceptable use of the land and boulderer's as an unacceptable user group.

Personally it wouldn't bother me to see more areas deemed as unacceptable for off roading.

By and large the climbing community is much more respectful of nature.

But all to often the need for an FA will overcome ones sense of natural beauty.

Tim McCabe wrote: Careful what you wish for. What if someone wanted to call the FS to complain about climbers trampling vegetation. When someone is looking to develop new boulder problems see's a rock with a large amount of plant life growing under it maybe they should just say oh well. But that's not the usual scenario is it. Not arguing against development just saying maybe there should be some basic consideration of plant life and a willingness to forgo climbing on every single rock face. If someone chooses to trample veg and creates an appealing spot to start a fire well maybe that's karmic justice.

Hmmmm.........maybe not call the FS:(

Nick, you obviously get all your news from Fox. While there are the usual amount of alternative types at the Occupy rallies, there are also firefighters, teachers, cops, and regular working stiffs.

I love how the right wing tells it's ill informed audience that it's just hippies out there smoking dope, having sex, and never bathing.

Demonize a group of people, then stuff head back in ground. SOP for the right wing.

Nick do you think, in your Fox induced fog, that there isn't a problem that needs to be addressed in America? That the inequality between the haves and have nots is not a problem?

The middle class is hanging by and thread and the middle class is America.

Jim

Completely agree with the Fox news, right wing SOP comments.

But I would have to say that I think the middle class is hanging on by a thread of their own making.

How many people jumped on the buy big and flip band wagon signing on to interest only loans on McMansions they knew they couldn't afford. It is sad that they are struggling now but they made their beds and now they get to lie in them.

We are likely due for some changes in the high finance industry but camping out in a city park for months how is that going to help.

As lame as the Tea Party is at least they put together a way to get their people elected. If the OM puts up a candidate in the next election I'll take them seriously and consider voting for them.

If greed is the problem in this country then we are in bad shape because it runs deep here.

The mortgage crisis is only one part of the current dilemma we find ourselves in.
The average income of the top 5% as gone up 245% in the last 20 years. The other 95% of us have had out paychecks remain virtually the same. With inflation, health care etc. we're losing ground.

Remember the top 5% don't buy enough stuff to keep the economy rolling along. It's the middle class that fuels that. When the middle class again has the disposable income it did in the 50's and 60's the economy will improve for all of us including the super wealthy.

The wealthy have seen their tax burden decline over the last 10 years. With the current figures on unemployment the GOPs assertion that you can't tax the wealthy or the corporations or they won't create jobs is completely incorrect. Ask 14 million Americans what the truth really is.

I agree that hanging out in parks will accomplish very little unless it results in votes for progressive candidates. It has however changed the national debate from deficit reduction to helping middle America and that's a good thing.

Absolutely, this goes way beyond the middle-class buying into an over-heated housing market. The gini coefficient is an economic measure of inequality in income distribution. American wealth is distributed less evenly than 100 of 140 countries measured. Not saying it should be equal, but you have to wonder when we are nowhere near as equal as other mature democracies but rather hanging out near the bottom of the table with Cameroon, Iran, Cambodia, Uganda, Macedonia...

The Occupy movement may not be terribly organized and articulate, but there is no question that their intent is right on.

Gini coefficient

what ever happened to the old boy scout rule, "leave the camp site cleaner than you found it" ?

Really find it humorous how this thread has gone into racism, politics, ethics and pooping in living rooms.