How does this make you feel?

Kid Icarus wrote: Oh, yeah, I always wear a prana beanie and beat off nightly to pics of Chris Sharma on the Mandala too. It would make you happy if you could simplify me, stereotype me, and put me in your "brah" drawer, wouldn't it? The truth is I try harder at climbing and life than your apathetic ass even knew was possible. I am taking more credits, getting more digits, and sending harder than you can fathom. So, suck on that... brah. I don't even know why I bother trying to enlighten you, I should be hydrating right now.

Hahaha. People like you are funny.

To call someone you don't even know apathetic and then proceed to spout off a list of things that no one can prove about you, half of which is spray and the other half of which is overcompensation for probably never having gotten a girl in your life just seems a little...overdramatic. Oh did i say a little? I meant GIGANTICALLY overdramatic.

Man it didn't take long for this thread to turn into a hate-fest.

Evan Sanders wrote: Hahaha. People like you are funny. To call someone you don't even know apathetic and then proceed to spout off a list of things that no one can prove about you, half of which is spray and the other half of which is overcompensation for probably never having gotten a girl in your life just seems a little...overdramatic. Oh did i say a little? I meant GIGANTICALLY overdramatic. Man it didn't take long for this thread to turn into a hate-fest.

People like you are why I don't usually bother with this site.

I don't see any drama, I'm not talking about drama. I'm talking about actual fact.

You see, that's the thing with you traddies, you are like the guy with a small dick driving a sports car. You can't even be bothered to try hard, so you do these step ladders to nowhere "for the view" and because some crusty like Robbins or somebody did it. You're just robbing yourself of ever getting good at this sport. I know I don't climb that hard, but at least I'm trying and I don't have to prove that effort to anybody. I've seen those awesome views, and you know what? I don't want to fall for that brass ring anymore, I want to climb HARD! Na mean?!

Nothing personal... brah.

This makes me feel so good! Just so everyone knows.. Only half those lines are posted up and the others are local's problems. It's a 5 minute walk from the car and a great place to do a bunch of hard moves with a great view of the lake. Also it is one of the first to be dry after a storm. The rock is bullet hard and perfect. I like this spot alot.

GOOD JOB EVERYBODY

I think there is still some room for the direct up the center, why has no one climbed that variant yet?

JPVallone wrote:I think there is still some room for the direct up the center, why has no one climbed that variant yet?

Sharma has claimed it as a project so they're respecting that.

Kid Icarus wrote: People like you are why I don't usually bother with this site. I don't see any drama, I'm not talking about drama. I'm talking about actual fact. You see, that's the thing with you traddies, you are like the guy with a small dick driving a sports car. You can't even be bothered to try hard, so you do these step ladders to nowhere "for the view" and because some crusty like Robbins or somebody did it. You're just robbing yourself of ever getting good at this sport. I know I don't climb that hard, but at least I'm trying and I don't have to prove that effort to anybody. I've seen those awesome views, and you know what? I don't want to fall for that brass ring anymore, I want to climb HARD! Na mean?! Nothing personal... brah.

You call it fact, I call it bullshit. Potato, Potahto.

Excellent work Trad Ninja ! ! ! this is far better than i expected and right out of the gates.

I don't see a problem with that many problems on one boulder. The problem is everyone's judgement upon other people's problem's.

It is pretty common to see that many variations on a boulder that size. Hasn't anyone ever been bouldering? Duh.

Why has no one given Scott Thalacker shit for thinking that someone put colored tape on that boulder. Scott it's called Microsoft paint. Photo editing. Did they put the tape over the tree as well? Duh.

Woodchuck - I agree with you on the sudden classics. Haven't quite passed the test of time. Duh.

Kid Icarus - Climbing is about adventure, facing fears, pushing your limits, being bold, and getting to the summit. Bouldering is practice for Climbing. You cannot achieve all of these experiences with bouldering. I do agree that bouldering can be physically challenging and hard which is fun for some, but not so much mentally challenging. Rock climbing is both physically and mentally challenging, making it a more rewarding and satisfying experience. I don't think you have ever pushed your limits climbing on gear, otherwise you would be more humbled. Sports cars are for sport-climbers. Rock climbers drive vans. Duh.

To Everyone- We are all losers for posting on MP on Saturday Night. Let's go get a drink.

Cheers

I've already had several drinks, and I'm going ice climbing tomorrow, yee-haw!!! elitest boulders are all jerk offs anyway, fuck them!

wait.... so prana beanies are bad?

"You cannot achieve all of these experiences with bouldering. I do agree that bouldering can be physically challenging and hard which is fun for some, but not so much mentally challenging. Rock climbing is both physically and mentally challenging, making it a more rewarding and satisfying experience"

Not that I really give a fuck...
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You do know that Icarus flew too close to the sun against the advice of his elder and DIED? Oh, and that Nintendo game sucked.

Either Kiddo is very mis-informed young boy OR he's a clever parody. Either way it's entertainment.

Ah, Rock Warrior. I wish I was entertained so easily.

If I may bring this thread back to reality, if only for a short moment, I would like to point out the differences of opinion here.
Dobbe says "This is only hurting any one who would come in thinking there are ten good hard problems on this rock and they get there and there is two lines with a some fluff."
bradyk says I don't see a problem with that many problems on one boulder. The problem is everyone's judgement upon other people's problem's.

So, would anyone be offended if they decided to check out this boulder per the routes posted on MP and they found 9 out of 10 were variations? Or not even variations but the same line with different beta?

Kid Icarus wrote: Oh, yeah, I always wear a prana beanie and beat off nightly to pics of Chris Sharma on the Mandala too. It would make you happy if you could simplify me, stereotype me, and put me in your "brah" drawer, wouldn't it? The truth is I try harder at climbing and life than your apathetic ass even knew was possible. I am taking more credits, getting more digits, and sending harder than you can fathom. So, suck on that... brah. I don't even know why I bother trying to enlighten you, I should be hydrating right now.

Alright, you win. You got me to sit up to write this one. I am not apathetic, as a matter of fact since I started climbing, I haven't been able to stop training and working towards my goals, its become a life consuming passion for me and its something I'm willing to give my time and effort to.

I'm smiling as I write this because you're probably about the same age as me (18-22?) but you've absolutely missed the point, and you don't even know it. Climbing isn't just a sport, and you claim to be enlightened while I'm hopelessly lost in the dark. I think it's quite the opposite. You've become SO CONSUMED with the sport as pure power pulling and grades and numbers that YOU have missed what its about. Every time I go out climbing, I push myself to go harder, whether its on gear, sport, or bouldering, but thats not the only reason I do it. I do it because I learn something every time I go out, and I can leave knowing I put my all into climbing and I find that rewarding.

You see climbing as a sport where only forward progress is acceptable and everything must be down to the exact moves or else its a different problem. Most multipitch climbs aren't called variations unless an ENTIRE PITCH is drastically different. You could stray 20-30 feet and have to down climb it to get back on route, and no one is going to console you by saying that adds a whole grade to the route. You see a bouldering problem, where as any truly rounded climber sees an aesthetic route up a cliff, boulder, ice flow, slab etc, and sees the beauty and is drawn to it.

I know its a lot to take in, but find someone who climbs trad, sport and boulders, ask them to take you out trad climbing a couple times. Try not to spray and piss them off first, and you might learn a thing or two. Its not something I can tell you and make you understand, you have to take the initiative and learn for yourself.

Anyway, have a nice life. I hope you learn a thing or two.

Did Trad Ninja Jr. draw a bowl of spaghetti with MS paint?

I can understand why people do eliminates, but I've never considered it a new problem or route simply because I elected not to use a certain hold. I always figured that was just making it harder by not using all the resources/features available to me, kinda like doing something barefoot.

As for variants, there's a gray area of what's reasonable to consider a variation or new problem/route unto it's own. Everyone has their own thoughts about where you draw the line between those things. I'd say what's in that photo is two problems, one of which has a couple variants. The rest of those I'd file under "I'm not going to grab a certain part of this hold so it'll be a bit more challenging."

I don’t think anyone said you didn’t like climbing that obvious by this misplaces enthusiasm. MP is not here to spray about FA’s of contrived versions on established lines. People come here to get a clear picture of the area. This problem Hammer Club is a repeat with better beta of your other problem Velvet Hammer. I think it is clear that if you move to a hold with your right or left hand yes it would change where you top the problem out and does not need to be another problem. The problem Rapture you do a stand start to a established problem starting with your left hand on a hold that you could not get to from the sit and call it a problem?

I think that climbing and being a climber mean many different things to many different people. It seems like people often forget that. Whether you're pushing grades on established sport routes, placing gear in the crux of your hardest lead to date, or pulling on a boulder harder than you ever have before in your life, it's all rock climbing. Don't expect people to have the same relationship with it as you do.

I can understand why people feed the need to hate on the haters, but why is everyone hating on Mary Jane?!?

I also think that whoever created the image in the original post did a beautiful tape job, and would definitely have a job at my gym if they could make it out to texas.

muttonface wrote: Soooo... are you mad because you ran out of weed? Because traddies have ugly girlfriends? Because they have lots of gear then lose it? Because they drink beer? Or are you really mad because you're JUST a boulderer and not someone that can appreciate ALL the disciplines of our sport. Because you'll never know what exposure is and how quickly it can make you shit your vitriolic huggies ON A CLASS 4 SLAB? Because you can pull off six moves of V9 and plunge ever so gracefully and safely back to your pad? Because anything over six moves at a much lower grade would have you flailing, thrutching and grasping for your weed like Pookie from New Jack City? Because you got a stain on your $40 prAna beanie? Because you took the "K" out of sick? Because non-climbers can't distinguish your speech from a stoned surfer's and mistake you for one? Or is it because your walls are pasted with pics of eight foot high six foot wide boulders that have ten different lines drawn up it and this post was just the last goddamned straw for you? Although retarded and obscenely obtuse (not to mention hypocritical because it's elitist in its own manner) this is quite entertaining, but not to be encouraged. I have an idea. Go experience some other disciplines of climbing instead of the one we all do when we first start out and don't know how to belay or tie knots. I guarantee if you give it a chance you won't come back spraying nonsensical gibberish about how you pull down on anything, because then you'll be a Man Icarus, instead of just a pissed off kid.

Headed out for the day soon, I just have to wait for my dealer to drop by a fat sack. NOT! Nothing against my friends who do, but weed is not my thing. You ever hear of the munchies? That would go against my dietary surveillance in at least two ways.

You and everyone else here needs to get a life pappy. So you saw me list V9 and you think that is how hard I climb. You don’t even have a clue what I climb. I work 2 to sometimes 3 V grades harder that is just what I have sent recently at an area known for STIFF grades, they say I am closer to a 10 climber. The point I am making is it is not the bouldering grade you probably listed from your gym project. As far as the other stuff I have followed my dad up multiple pitches since when I was 15 that would make you moisten your Sponge Bob underwear. I should lead harder than 11 trad but it is funny you guys think all I know is how to pull down on 4 moves and then fall when I have sport climbed and done trad for longer. Oh yeah but it is funny when we pass you on our warm up, and my dad calls you team slow bus. Ever hear of Astroman? I think you are the one who needs to man up and lead the big boy climbs.

And I DON’T wear beanies!

I am also so proud of your “Ninja” for figuring out a simple reference. Maybe next he’ll figure out better than to mock a sport he does not understand well. I was trying to redeem the ignorance in this thread but all I ran into was a bunch of hillbillies who like playing with toys instead of climbing hard. I hope saying a bunch of cliches makes you feel better when I onsight your project as a warm up while my hot girlfriend films it. Heh, I'll even wear a beanie if that makes you feel better about it.

So, yeah, write your next trip report about how you got schooled. I’ll be sending my project today! YAH!

Kid Icarus wrote: they say I am closer to a 10 climber.

Is that really what "they" say?

Oh, and mind telling us about some of those pitches that would make us wet our pants? I'm dying to hear about them.