Grand Teton climber receives disorderly conduct fine
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That rates high on the F-ed up scale! |
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It's ironic that the climber with a good sense of personal responsibility is the one that was ticketed, while the climber that put himself in a situation that was apparently over his head got away without a ticket after putting rescuers' lives in jeopardy unnecessarily. |
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perfect example of why SPOT devices are bullshit. If he didn't have the safety net of pressing a button to call in the calvary I wonder if he would have just sacked up and bailed with his partner. Good on the guy who bailed for self rescuing. |
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Hmmmm. Sounds interesting. |
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People of Mountain Project. "Climber A", Jesse Selwin, is an excellent climber. I've climbed with him many times and he is a very very skilled alpinist. He climbs up to 5.13 and WI 5. |
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Josh Kornish wrote:"Climber A", Jesse Selwin, is an excellent climber. I've climbed with him many times and he is a very very skilled alpinist. He climbs up to 5.13 and WI 5. I have to talk to him...Is there something omitted from the article regarding why he felt he couldn't get down without a rescue? I don't understand why he needed a rescue if he's such an experienced alpinist. If you've got protection and a rope, it doesn't take a tremendous amount of skill to build a few anchors to rappel from. But I also don't trust that all pertinent information is in the article. Please enlighten us since you've spoken with the rescued climber. --Marc |
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Wow, just a "little" off route! |
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Here is an article from earlier this summer released by GTNP rangers: gtnpnews.blogspot.com/2011/… |
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Marc H wrote: Is there something omitted from the article regarding why he felt he couldn't get down without a rescue? I don't understand why he needed a rescue if he's such an experienced alpinist. If you've got protection and a rope, it doesn't take a tremendous amount of skill to build a few anchors to rappel from. But I also don't trust that all pertinent information is in the article. Please enlighten us since you've spoken with the rescued climber. --MarcThis article contains very little information on the situation. Honestly the majority of talk on MP these days is trash talk. Be as arrogant as you want if it makes you feel better. If you weren't there you don't know what the situation was. |
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JLP wrote: I'm an arrogant fuck.Yes, I agree. |
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dolgio wrote:Here is an article from earlier this summer released by GTNP rangers: gtnpnews.blogspot.com/2011/… Sounds like they both were in an agreement that Selwyn needed a rescue...So, according to that link: Dave Shade wanted to self rescue, but Jesse Selwyn wanted rescue. Jesse activated his SPOT beacon, and they both waited together until a helicopter flew by and asked if they needed rescue. After they signaled that they needed rescue, Dave left, hoping to self rescue before it got too dark. That is very different from the original post which makes it sound like Dave just abandoned his partner, not knowing what was going to happen to him. This was in August when the weather was decent and Dave KNEW the helicopters had seen his partner. It seems that leaving before it got too dark was a reasonable thing to do if he was going to self rescue, and since his partner had no intention of going down, taking the rope was also reasonable. His partner was uninjured, healthy, and knew that rescue was coming. Obviously, I think alpine climbing partners should be able to come to an agreement on how to proceed better than these guys... but if your partner refuses to go down, and you know rescue knows your location and is planning a rescue, I'm not sure I can really fault the guy for leaving. It is very easy to judge, but not being there, I don't see how people can fault Dave. (It would be very different if he left his partner without a rope not knowing if rescue was coming or not... but even in that situation, if he retreated and then notified rescue, he could be in the right... what are you supposed to do, if your partner refuses to go down the mountain?) |
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Josh Kornish wrote: This article contains very little information on the situation. Honestly the majority of talk on MP these days is trash talk. Be as arrogant as you want if it makes you feel better. If you weren't there you don't know what the situation was.Honestly, don't try to defend what seems like an idiotic action without having the facts just because you know the guy. |
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Josh Kornish wrote: This article contains very little information on the situation. Honestly the majority of talk on MP these days is trash talk. Be as arrogant as you want if it makes you feel better. If you weren't there you don't know what the situation was.Wow. I said that I didn't trust that the article contained all of the pertinent info and that I felt there might be more to it. Since you've spoken with one of the parties involved, it seemed appropriate to ask you to share any extra info that you had. How is that arrogance? Are you unwilling to share any pertinent facts not presented in the article? Because withholding it makes it seem like there isn't really any more info; you just want us to think there is. --Marc |
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Marc H wrote: Wow. I said that I didn't trust that the article contained all of the pertinent info and that I felt there might be more to it. Since you've spoken with one of the parties involved, it seemed appropriate to ask you to share any extra info that you had. How is that arrogance? Are you unwilling to share any pertinent facts not presented in the article? Because withholding it makes it seem like there isn't really any more info; you just want us to think there is. --MarcAsking for pertinent information isn't arrogance. I haven't talked to him since this happened. I am going to meet with him soon and I'll find out what happened. I know both climbers and once I know what happened I'd be happy to share. The only people I am calling arrogant are the people who think they have insight on the situation when they clearly have none. Sorry for any offense taken. I'll PM the information when I get it. Sorry if I came off too defensive. Thanks Marc, Josh |
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Josh Kornish wrote: Asking for pertinent information isn't arrogance. I haven't talked to him since this happened. I am going to meet with him soon and I'll find out what happened. I know both climbers and once I know what happened I'd be happy to share. The only people I am calling arrogant are the people who think they have insight on the situation when they clearly have none. Sorry for any offense taken. I'll PM the information when I get it. Sorry if I came off too defensive. Thanks Marc, JoshI appreciate that. I must have misunderstood. I thought you said you had spoken to the rescued climber since the incident. --Marc |
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Hmmmm. Would love to hear first hand what happened because yes, a very odd sequence of events. Certainly sounds like a disagreement with respect to how to proceed. August 19th is typically high season for the Tetons. I have been up there in September - lots of verglass up high certainly could (and did) make things pretty sketch. |
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Since I don't know the details, I'm not commenting on this event specifically. |
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Copperhead wrote:Since I don't know the details, I'm not commenting on this event specifically. However, I did want to point out that leaving the scene of an accident, rescue, or any other incident is usually frowned upon until you are dismissed. Given that he was there when the rescue was initiated, I suppose the rangers were peeved that he wasn't there when they actually did the rescue. In that type of situation, you can't count on a heli's ability to fly, so you can't be sure that the rescue will actually take place in a reasonable amount of time.That really interesting how you say you are not going to comment on this specific event and then proceed to write a paragraph commenting on this specific event. Nice! Since the one dude showed that it was possible to bail safely the other dudista should be charged the full cost of the rescue. So sayeth me. |
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Yarp wrote: That really interesting how you say you are not going to comment on this specific event and then proceed to write a paragraph commenting on this specific event. Nice! Since the one dude showed that it was possible to bail safely the other dudista should be charged the full cost of the rescue. So sayeth me.Right on, one of my posts finally attracted the infamous Yarp. Made my day. |
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Will Butler wrote: Honestly, don't try to defend what seems like an idiotic action without having the facts just because you know the guy.guilty until proven innocent? |