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Johny Q · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 35

This thread is proof that our sport is being corrupted by nefarious individuals who think that just because they have an opionion and went to sunday school, others want to hear it. My opinion is a bit too racy so I will keep it to myself.

Crag Dweller · · New York, NY · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 125
Lisa Colorado wrote:...I know it's their own decision but it's just so unsafe...
how do you know it's unsafe? did 'they say' it's unsafe?
Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0

I can't remember the last time I went climbing with out a beer!

Steve Lynn belaying with a beer in hand!!!

germsauce Epstein · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 55

a plastic bong w/ a hole drilled through the top for a carabiner can easily be clipped to one's harness for water-filtered belay ledge "safety meetings".

Just sayin.

some people can handle it, others can't. Know your risk and THC/alcohol tolerance and let others do their thing.

Mike G · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 0
bkb0000 wrote:i dont particularly care for it either, but at least as far as i can tell, the VAST majority of climbers toke and drink while climbing. if you have a problem with drinking and marijuana use, you either need to switch to knitting or stick to your own select group of teetotalers. thats all there is to it.
Im an oldster here, will be 50 in january, and have turned into a boring sober guy, but I have never seen either activity at little falls or in the daks, so i was supprised to read the statement above. But its going on its none of my busines if others do and it is really only the business of the partners they climb with.

by the by, i not exactly thrilled with sober strangers belaying me!
Frosty Weller · · Colorado · Joined Mar 2004 · Points: 1,145

Weed? I don't particularly care for it either, especially while climbing.

It's so unsafe.

Mike G · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 0
Evan Horvath aka Evan1984 wrote:One of my mantra's is that belaying carries the same responsibilities as driving. Along those lines, its irresponsible to BUI (Belay Under the Influence). I would also challenge the previous poster's assertion that drunk/high belaying is a "norm" in the climbing world. It is not the norm, and it is not acceptable. Most climbers party but they don't mix the two. You won't see me doing it, and you won't see my partners' doing it. But, there is no place (and I would say its not your place) to report theis Its a personal responsibility issue. The best you can do it take a "friends don't let friend belay drunk/high" stance amongst you climbing circle. As far as people unwittingly jumping on the rope with an intoxicated belayer, I see it as a climber's responsibility to assess the competence of the belayer. I would not let some random Joe at a crag belay me until I have assurance that they are not going to drop me. Every belayer is presumed drunk, incompetent, stupid, and reckless until proven otherwise. The one time I was dropped was at a gym by a another regular. I hadn't every paid attention to his belaying, but assumed he was OK because he was there often. Well, when I took at the top, he yanked back the grigri lever and let me fly. After the shock wore off, I realized he didn't know his head from his a$$ when it came to belaying. I view this as my own fault for letting him belay me without proper education. Just my 2 cents, Evan
what he said
Lisa Colorado · · Denver, CO · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 0

"if you were scared on the route, you probably should have had some drugs in your system."

So what you're saying is, the majority of climbers who responded to this post are (The word I want to use will get me banned, starts with a 'p') who can only overcome their fear by drowning it in substances. How pathetic! Climb sober and see what happens. :O)

Johny Q · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 35
Lisa Colorado wrote:"if you were scared on the route, you probably should have had some drugs in your system." So what you're saying is, the majority of climbers who responded to this post are (The word I want to use will get me banned, starts with a 'p') who can only overcome their fear by drowning it in substances. How pathetic! Climb sober and see what happens. :O)
Funny how you ask a question just to lash out at the people who disagree. Do you wonder what I think is pathetic? Your troll that went lame and the anger you display at having it not go your way.
P.K. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 5

While I usually don't condone the use of drugs or alcohol in anyway....I usually climb at least 3 grades higher while on PCP (like 5.6 to 5.9), so in that instance it is ok. Otherwise to the OP, it is not your business how stupid other people are acting if it does not affect you personally.

Northwest Corner · · Bend · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 1,505


Or bouldering... too easy to fall asleep mid problem. Not good.
Lisa Colorado · · Denver, CO · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 0
Johny Q wrote: Funny how you ask a question just to lash out at the people who disagree. Do you wonder what I think is pathetic? Your troll that went lame and the anger you display at having it not go your way.
No anger. No judgment (other than safety concerns). I was just curious. Seems ya'll read waaaaaay too into this question. Actually, I'm curious about what you originally wanted to comment....the raunchier the better!

(if you knew i wrote that question high, would it change anything?)
Boissal . · · Small Lake, UT · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 1,541
Lisa Colorado wrote:No judgment
Lisa Colorado wrote:How pathetic!
Well well well, what do we have here?

And please, go ahead, and spell you P word. Reducing the background noise caused by yet another narrow-minded sheep would be refreshing.
Copperhead · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 0
Lisa Colorado wrote: No anger. No judgment (other than safety concerns). I was just curious. Seems ya'll read waaaaaay too into this question. Actually, I'm curious about what you originally wanted to comment....the raunchier the better! (if you knew i wrote that question high, would it change anything?)
Now don't tell me that Lisa Colorado is from Texas!
Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,945
Frosty Weller wrote:Weed? I don't particularly care for it either, especially while climbing.
Frosty's lookin a little toasty in this one . . . nice!
Cor · · Sandbagging since 1989 · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 1,445

Lisa,

you are too serious, go get high then respond...

i was kidding when i spoke of being scared on a route / take drugs.

btw, i climb sober, and sober with a beer now and then.
(the beer is for tasting purposes, not to get drunk...)

do you enjoy taste? do you ever go to a bar or restraunt,
have a beer with friends, then drive your car home?
what is the difference of driving home, and having a beer
(for taste) while belaying?

JoeP · · Littleton, CO · Joined Sep 2006 · Points: 0
Lisa Colorado wrote: No anger. No judgment (other than safety concerns). I was just curious. Seems ya'll read waaaaaay too into this question. Actually, I'm curious about what you originally wanted to comment....the raunchier the better! (if you knew i wrote that question high, would it change anything?)
I call BS on the no judgment and that you are simply curious. You edited your initial post, which included a question to the effect of "who do you report these people to?" Implied in that question is that you would, and believe it is right to, report people for behavior you deem improper or "unsafe." Thus, you have already made a judgment on such behavior.

As for your alleged concern about safety, that is a thinly veiled attempt at covering up what you really mean, that you think such behavior is improper.

Everyone has their own acceptable levels of risk in climbing, so stop worrying about others choices when they have no impact on your own safety.

I think Boissal answered your "question" pretty well.
Will S · · Joshua Tree · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 1,061
jon vandub wrote: if you smoke regularly, you can do ANYTHING stoned. if you do only occasionally get stoned, you normally cant do shit!
This bears repeating.
Joe Huggins · · Grand Junction · Joined Oct 2001 · Points: 105

Reminds me of the time in the mid '70s, I was driving a pickup truck through the Texas night, having swallowed a purple microdot shortly before starting my shift as driver. With a bunch of underclassmen under the shell in back, asleep, I spoke with the college woman who had joined us in S Mo. Eventually, the subject of drugs came up- she was pretty sure they were all very bad. She didn't believe me when I said that acid wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I said that I could be trippin' my balls off at that very moment, (which I was,thank you very much!)and she wouldn't even know! She was absolutely sure-she would know if I were tripping...

Kyle Judson · · Colorado · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 15
justin dubois wrote:(cough) UPTIGHT GAPERS!(cough cough)
+1 to Justin Dubois
Just because a climber smokes pot or has a couple beers doesn't NECESSARILY mean he or she is a bad belay. I've had bad belays from a couple of you strait edges too. I have stoner friends I trust my life to regularly. A good belayer should be vigilant at all times so don't lose your break hand to light a bowl... Just wait till your climber's back down. You shouldn't be "Bogarting" that bowl anyway. I will say some people are more likely to "space out" than others. It effects everyone differently. I love beer and i believe it makes many things better... Including a sunny day cragging. Obviously don't climb or belay drunk... But a couple beers throughout the day? Totally cool with me.
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