A note to newbies

william miller wrote:He puts his harness on strings a short rope down the boulder, then slides the rope through his atc and starts climbing using the atc as a auto locker or soloist type set up.

That coulda been me last weekend!

Accidently left a knot in the rope and didn't notice 'till the rope stuck at the anchor. Used my ATC as a sort of self belay, after climbing part way up and putting in a backup knot that may or may not have kept me off the ground, and, just pulled out the slack with one hand, and, climbed with the other. Voila.

Kids, don't try this at home.

Too good to be true (entertaining though). Good to know the original postmaster general can still crank v8.

Best. Thread. Ever.

Description
A great crag for beginners and novices. Area has good top roping, and single pitch routes up to 5.3. There are short sections in the 5.15 range.

mountainproject.com/v/belle…

..............I like this description for an area

Marc H wrote:Best. Thread. Ever.

Seriously, I haven't had this much fun on MP in a long time, for those of you who haven't yet, you seriously need to check out all of the OP's "contributions" to this site!

Archive this now!

This is just pure bliss. This thread is the reason why i peruse MP all day long on rest days or days when my partners are being pussy cats.

Thank you to the OP and other contributers for a great laugh!

kennoyce wrote: Seriously, I haven't had this much fun on MP in a long time, for those of you who haven't yet, you seriously need to check out all of the OP's "contributions" to this site!

Hey, don't hate. He has established nothing but pg-13 or r rated routes, dude has to have some grande cajones!

good cast, great presentation, ir-resistable bait. i don't think the OP is going to stop at the daily bag limit.

Ironic how a myriad of replies suggest avoiding a condescending attitude toward those less educated/experienced...
A lot of fuckin' lip n' bullshit here... go send some shit if you're so BADASS... (I mean, you must be, right? ...if you're dissin some pobre old gaper, and going out of your way to do it semi-anonymously vis-a-vis the interwebs) Didn't anyone see the short at ReelRock about the spew a couple years ago? You guys sound like a bunch of climbing Einsteins with knowledge and skills, but with a high schooler's purview. You're about equally self aware as the OP. That's some ironic shit. But the Sierra Nevada drinker gets a pass: at least he drinks the best lager brewed in North America.

I'm preparing his application for a Darwin Award. In a potentially life-threatening sport, like climbing, beginners need to have the humility to listen to people with more experience. And, don't look the other way if you see people doing stupid stuff. If they die and get labeled as a "climber," it gives us all a bad name and gets areas shut down.

My dearest petz,

what the fuck are you talking about, are you really old or something?

sincerely,

ted

Ted Farley wrote:My dearest petz, what the fuck are you talking about, are you really old or something? sincerely, ted

Let's be honest and drop the sarcastic melowdrama 'little homie'... (ya, you're as much my little homie as I am your "dearest") Prolly if you read it again more slowly, it MIGHT 'click' for ya, but since you're about 12, I'll explain it to you: People with an enormous amount of climbing knowledge and experience that have a superior grasp on climbing and how to approach it with safety AND style are sitting wherever they sit, in front of their screens and tapping out a lot of "fucking lip and bullshit" (i.e. talk). It's ironic that the tone/manner is extremely condescending toward some old guy who can't possibly be holding himself to the same standards of style as the "badass" climbers spittin' game back and forth as if they were in some high-schoolish competition with each other for best burn (hs purview = some subtle social bullshit you'll figure out after you graduate someday). But hey, don't sweat it too much...we're all learning. For example, there was a time I would've called you fuckin' gay as fuck, till I hopped on the clue bus and realized that using a colloquial expression that degrades another person/group (based on sexual orientation, physical ability, or any other bullshit reason) isn't gay, rather it's simply LAME AS FUCK. I can't tell which comp is more important to you...to look better than the old climber or better than others making asinine comments about him. BTW, He's using the chest harness so he doesn't hurt himself cause he's way out of shape...so now that I think about it, I take it back: He actually IS more self aware than you are...just on a different plane is all (i.e. not the style plane that cool guys that type hard like you are on) It's like you're in a competition with him (ironic, huh?) Think about it, there's prolly not a single climber anyone truly looks up to (insert you're favorite climber's name here) spouting bullshit in here at that guy, cause the ones we admire aren't in here throwing him around like that. They don't have something to prove...least not in here, with him. Ok maybe it's not 'bullshit' because he is dorky in your eyes...but hey, props to the ol'geez for getting off the fucking couch. Even though he baited the hook, the whole thread ignores Guideline #1. So ya, fuck off.

Loren Trager wrote:I'm preparing his application for a Darwin Award. In a potentially life-threatening sport, like climbing, beginners need to have the humility to listen to people with more experience. And, don't look the other way if you see people doing stupid stuff. If they die and get labeled as a "climber," it gives us all a bad name and gets areas shut down.

good point

Petz Pretz wrote: Let's be honest and drop the sarcastic melowdrama 'little homie'... (ya, you're as much my little homie as I am your "dearest") Prolly if you read it again more slowly, it MIGHT 'click' for ya, but since you're about 12, I'll explain it to you: People with an enormous amount of climbing knowledge and experience that have a superior grasp on climbing and how to approach it with safety AND style are sitting wherever they sit, in front of their screens and tapping out a lot of "fucking lip and bullshit" (i.e. talk). It's ironic that the tone/manner is extremely condescending toward some old guy who can't possibly be holding himself to the same standards of style as the "badass" climbers spittin' game back and forth as if they were in some high-schoolish competition with each other for best burn (hs purview = some subtle social bullshit you'll figure out after you graduate someday). But hey, don't sweat it too much...we're all learning. For example, there was a time I would've called you fuckin' gay as fuck, till I hopped on the clue bus and realized that using a colloquial expression that degrades another person/group (based on sexual orientation, physical ability, or any other bullshit reason) isn't gay, rather it's simply LAME AS FUCK. I can't tell which comp is more important to you...to look better than the old climber or better than others making asinine comments about him. BTW, He's using the chest harness so he doesn't hurt himself cause he's way out of shape...so now that I think about it, I take it back: He actually IS more self aware than you are...just on a different plane is all (i.e. not the style plane that cool guys that type hard like you are on) It's like you're in a competition with him (ironic, huh?) Think about it, there's prolly not a single climber anyone truly looks up to (insert you're favorite climber's name here) spouting bullshit in here at that guy, cause the ones we admire aren't in here throwing him around like that. They don't have something to prove...least not in here, with him. Ok maybe it's not 'bullshit' because he is dorky in your eyes...but hey, props to the ol'geez for getting off the fucking couch. Even though he baited the hook, the whole thread ignores Guideline #1. So ya, fuck off.

Well said!

I just picked up this thread...LOL! So much going on here.

In general I'm all for telling people that they are doing dumb things when they are doing dumb things. If these people get hurt it reflects poorly on the rest of us. Just don't waste too much breath on it.

Mr. Miller (if that is your real name), you are doing some silly things in your pics and your "contributions" are quite weak and are more confusing than helpful. I realize you intentionally did this per the comment "I have deliberately left teh descriptions thin as part of the whole experience is adventure, route finding, and leaving nothing behind" but getting totally lost and never finding a climb one is looking for because of vague descriptions isn't the intention of MP. Please don't bother if you are making contributions such as these.

NC Rock Climber, Guideline #1 whet to hell a long time ago.

Petz Pretz wrote: ...there was a time I would've called you fuckin' gay as fuck, till I hopped on the clue bus and realized that using a colloquial expression that degrades another person/group (based on sexual orientation, physical ability, or any other bullshit reason) isn't gay, rather it's simply LAME AS FUCK.

Dude, that's not cool. I walked with a limp all through my childhood, and endured constant tormenting because of it. Using a term like that is very disrespectful to Lame People (capitol letters) everywhere.

this thread just keeps getting awesomer

Wait, wasn't the original post digging on people the OP thought to be less experienced? Doesn't that establish the theme of this thread? I mean this dude is throwing stones from a glass house built by the lake where the jugs are super smooth and the climbs are over rock. Now making fun of people who have a limp is another story, and is just f'd up.

camhead wrote: Dude, that's not cool. I walked with a limp all through my childhood, and endured constant tormenting because of it. Using a term like that is very disrespectful to Lame People (capitol letters) everywhere.

Take no offense...the dictionary (pretty much all of them, well...ya, all of them) list as usually the third or fourth definition of the word 'lame' as follows:

lame
adj. lam·er, lam·est
1. Disabled so that movement, especially walking, is difficult or impossible: Lame from the accident, he walked with a cane. A lame wing kept the bird from flying.
2. Marked by pain or rigidness: a lame back.
3. Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory: a lame attempt to apologize; lame excuses for not arriving on time.
( thefreedictionary.com/lame)

lame1
adj
1. (Medicine / Pathology) disabled or crippled in the legs or feet
2. painful or weak a lame back
3. weak; unconvincing a lame excuse
4. not effective or enthusiastic a lame try
5. US slang conventional or uninspiring
(american heritage)
(Kernerman multilingual)

Ineffectual, unsatisfactory, unacceptable. With all due respect for adversity you faced (authentic or troll), and without malintention, yes lame was the word I meant to use. (meaning is found by the reader in the context when words have multiple definitions...sorry that you were confused by it)