Miura problem: soles seperating from rand

Hi, I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this with their La Sportiva laceup Miuras. This is my 4th pair of shoes I've owned, and I've seen this happen before.

I bought them about 4 weeks ago, and promptly took them to Shelf Road. The next week I noticed the rubber soles had began to separate from the rand on the inside of the foot, where the fold of shoe cuts inward behind the ball of the foot.

I did leave them in the car, but with the cooler wether, can't see temperature variation being the culprit. I've climbed once or twice a week on them since then, and of course the split has continued to grow slowly. They seem properly fitted, and a comment search didn't find any similar problems. I wrote Sportiva today, am waiting to hear back.

Thanks,
CS

That's happened with every pair of La Sportiva's I've owned...2 Miura's and one Mythos...it wasn't as bad on the Mythos as the Miura's though. I think it's a pretty well known problem...I've never worried/cared enough to do anything about it, and it never got bad enough to cause any other problems.

I'm on my second pair of miuras. never had that problem.

Thanks for the responses everyone. Well, unfortunately I bought them on sale at Montbell, where they have a no return policy on all climbing gear. Hopefully I'll hear back from La Sportiva soon, if not, I suppose my options are to reglue the detached part somehow, or to trim and then sand it down. My main concern it that the split could just continue to spread out on the inner side of the shoes.

Shumin, you just might have a point there...

Swing by Rock and Resole. I've had problems like that with several shoes. I've usually just had them fix it during a resole but a few times Rock and Resole has fixed this while I waited.

I have heard from a reliable source that it's a problem with Sportiva's glue and happens quite frequently (as others have mentioned). Strangely, I have never had it happen on a single pair of my own Sportivas (4 pairs owned, 2 different models).

shoo gooo ... barge cement ... etc ...

simple fix

JLP wrote:Holy cow - just buy some friggin' glue. Every shoe I've ever owned has pealed somewhere at some point. Get Barge Cement, the older stuff in the yellow tube. The new blue stuff that is safe for babies to swallow is crap. +1 for dropping by Rock and Resole to keep them company as well. They sell the Barge Cement. They also sell Freesole with accelerator and some rubber grindings so you can fix your other shoe problems as well.

Ive seen it before, but it has never spread and does not effect the shoe in any way that i can tell.

@JLP and others, Rock & Resole is a great resource and thanks for the useful glue beta. Yes, shoes do peel, but shouldn't inside a couple weeks. Seems we should be able to expect a higher level of quality considering the steep price tag, simple fix or not.

@Corey, good to know, thanks

-Cheers all, CS

Corey McCarthy wrote:Ive seen it before, but it has never spread and does not effect the shoe in any way that i can tell.

Dragging would cause damage higher on the side of the foot, and the repeated force needed to cause the split would leave considerable scuffing on the rand. Gaze closer into the awful blurry photos: The seperation is happening directly at the sharp inward swoop, where there would already be the most outward pressure on the seam from the cut of the shoe. If any of my actions contributed, it would be the weekend in Shelf's desert climate and from commute time in the car, where they are kept out of the sun.

I do appreciate you playing devil's advocate though since a lot of the time people complain about gear being sub-par, it is from their own misue or neglect. Or I could be a Scarpa spy out to smear Sportiva's good name... Anyways, they still climb great on the rock.

Good news for other Miura fans who's shoes might be doing the same thing (and are still newsih...): La Sportiva wrote back today and the repairs will be covered under warranty. Good to see a company stand behind their product!

Carey S wrote:Good news for other Miura fans who's shoes might be doing the same thing (and are still newsih...): La Sportiva wrote back today and the repairs will be covered under warranty. Good to see a company stand behind their product!

I have a pair of Miura VS that have done that a little, but I'm a little more concerned about what the right toe has done in the months that I've owned them. I haven't used them all that heavily either...

That looks like it could be pretty normal if your climbing frequently on really gritty or sharp rock. Rock and Resole might be your best bet. Since you have a hole through the rand it'll cost a little more. My 5/10s looked about the same, and I think its going to cost me about $40.00.

I've had similar problems with my latest pair of Miuras. I bought some in 2010 that seemed to hold up just fine, but the pair I bought in 2011 started having separation issues just a couple months after buying them. The weather has been cool, so they aren't getting too hot in the car, and I've noticed the rand separating from the upper, as well as some separation between the sole and the rand.

Many years ago I got tired of this problem and tried other brands, models, but none performed nearly as well as my miuras with their peeling. It softens the shoes a bit, but other than that I've had no problems. I've had more than a dozen pairs of miuras in the last 10 years and destroyed everyone on fun climbs, wet climbs, dirty climbs, climbs I could climb and climbs I could not. There is no other shoe I would rather wear.

I wonder what kind of rock the Miura rubber is ideal for? Some softer kinds for sandstone just get shreded on harsher rock... I have a pair of 5-10 Huecos I like a lot as well, they're a little more comfortable in the toe box for multi-pitch but still smear on anything. The Miuras defiently seem to edge better though.