To the Bowl-cut dude and crew on the 1st flatiron the afternoon of Memorial Day:

Marc H wrote: I strongly disagree that we have a "responsibility" to protect "dumbasses." I do commend someone that tries to help a dumbass out of a dangerous situation, but only if said dumbass wants to be helped. Because at least the dumbass that wants to be helped is showing a small desire to preserve his life. The dumbass that won't accept help has no sense of self-preservation and shouldn't be polluting the gene pool, IMO. Stupid people breed stupid people. Do you believe in Natural Selection? --Marc

Marc, you just restated basically what I said, although you stressed your lack of moral obligation to dumbasses. Fair enough. What has Natural Selection to do with it? The majority of people alive would have been selected out if it weren't for some sort of artificial intervention, be it medicine, nutrition, governmental, or advice on how not to get killed. What does my position on Darwinistic theory have to do with Bowl-Cut getting his kicks on the 1st?

sfotex wrote:Did the five-fingers look like they were working ok for the slab? I've been curious how they would work out for climbing.

I've heard they are cool, but there is zero edging or stiffness.

Man...this thread is why I keep coming back to MP. Someone's observation of a couple of clods farting around on the First Flat has generated commentary on bowl hair, Darwin, human morality, appropriate slab-climbing footwear, professional safety training, yuppie douchebags, and hockey game beer selection, to name only a few topics. I've stayed an extra half-hour after work just to read it!

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do have better things to do, but none of them have given me a laugh like this thread.

BTW, why in hell are they called 'five-finger' shoes when you put your toes in 'em? Why not 'five-toe' shoes?

+1 that natural selection is antiquated and bears little impact in modern times.

Well, if you zoom in you can see the lettering on my "Never Say Die" Old Rasputin shirt. Needless to say, I couldn't approve of your beer choice more than I do right now. If it weren't for the jealousy, I'd even cry a little tear of joy for you.

-sp wrote: Decision made: northcoastbrewing.com/beer-…

Marc H wrote: So Darwin was a sick man? I always thought he was incredibly intelligent, possibly even a genius. Do you believe in Natural Selection? I strongly disagree that we have a "responsibility" to protect "dumbasses." I do commend someone that tries to help a dumbass out of a dangerous situation, but only if said dumbass wants to be helped. Because at least the dumbass that wants to be helped is showing a small desire to preserve his life. The dumbass that won't accept help has no sense of self-preservation and shouldn't be polluting the gene pool, IMO. Stupid people breed stupid people. Do you believe in Natural Selection? --Marc

I don't believe in allowing people to kill themselves due to simple stupidity. We are talking about HUMAN BEINGS!!! Not prairie dogs or squirrels man. I'm sure there are people in your gene pool that may not be up to "snuff" and I'm SURE you don't want them hurt? At least I hope you wouldn't...

These people have moms, dads and family members..people who love them and care for them. Maybe I'm a caring guy, but these are people!

Generally I dislike about %90 of the human population because they are stupid.........

The other %10 percent are tolerable........

Zeke wrote: Well, if you zoom in you can see the lettering on my "Never Say Die" Old Rasputin shirt.

Well played Zeke, well played.

rangerdrew wrote:+1 that natural selection is antiquated and bears little impact in modern times.

Wrong. Evolution never sleeps.

Richard Radcliffe wrote: Wrong. Evolution never sleeps.

Richard and Drew, how about sexual selection? Seems we may actually have reversed that one.

Natural Selection never sleeps but does it not get slowed waaaaaay down?

Rick Blair wrote:Natural Selection never sleeps but does it not get slowed waaaaaay down?

I think in this way evolution is kind of like a fault line. It may have been mostly dormant recently for the human species, but it's going to come raging back to life with the big one sooner or later.

rangerdrew wrote:+1 that natural selection is antiquated and bears little impact in modern times.

What do bears have to do with climbing?

Andrew Shoemaker wrote: What do bears have to do with climbing?

They climb hard and fall hard.

Climbing Bear

Rick Blair wrote: Richard and Drew, how about sexual selection? Seems we may actually have reversed that one.

Let's keep your personal life out of the discussion.

BScallout wrote: (Eyes rolling) I bet you drive a Prius and have 2 cats as well.

Nope I drive a truck and don't like cats. But tend to give a sh*t, even though most people don't.

I agree with the post that 90% of the population is intolerable, but that doesn't mean that you can't give a damn about someone getting hurt.

I hope you no one here has to experience the same callousness that is being shown towards others.

Scott McMahon wrote: Nope I drive a truck and don't like cats. But tend to give a sh*t, even though most people don't. I agree with the post that 90% of the population is intolerable, but that doesn't mean that you can't give a damn about someone getting hurt. I hope you no one here has to experience the same callousness that is being shown towards others.

Callousness? Really? I'm callous because I believe in leaving people alone and not telling them that what I think they are doing is wrong? I'm callous because I don't take it upon myself to give questionable and subjective advice to total strangers when doing something I may not approve of? Why do you feel it is your duty to save everyone from themselves? Christian perhaps?

If someone is hurt or needs help, and wants it, I'm usually one of the first to offer assistance but if they aren't interested I keep to myself. What's the problem with this approach? Am I evil because I don't believe in making other people go through life exactly the same way as I do?

Yarp wrote: Callousness? Really? I'm callous because I believe in leaving people alone and not telling them that what I think they are doing is wrong? I'm callous because I don't take it upon myself to give questionable and subjective advice to total strangers when doing something I may not approve of? Why do you feel it is your duty to save everyone from themselves? Christian perhaps? If someone is hurt or needs help, and wants it, I'm usually one of the first to offer assistance but if they aren't interested I keep to myself. What's the problem with this approach? Am I evil because I don't believe in making other people go through life exactly the same way as I do?

I don't think it's really the action or lack there of of intervening when someone is doing something stupid that's the problem, I think it's more intent.

If the intent is to "let natural selection take over", then yeah, whoever does that is cruel and doesn't give regard to human life at all. If, Yarp, your intent is to not push your advice onto someone you don't know, then yeah leave them alone. But since I think a majority in this thread are talking about life or death situations, it changes from being subjective advice to saving a life. Purposefully turning a blind eye to a life or death situation can be perceived as callousness.

Evan Sanders wrote: I don't think it's really the action or lack there of of intervening when someone is doing something stupid that's the problem, I think it's more intent. If the intent is to "let natural selection take over", then yeah, whoever does that is cruel and doesn't give regard to human life at all. If, Yarp, your intent is to not push your advice onto someone you don't know, then yeah leave them alone. But since I think a majority in this thread are talking about life or death situations, it changes from being subjective advice to saving a life. Purposefully turning a blind eye to a life or death situation can be perceived as callousness.

Did someone die on the 1st last weekend? Oh...I guess it wasn't life or death then.

What you may perceive to be a life or death situation might just be a good day out for someone else. Still subjective. Just mind your own business unless asked.

That is all.

Yarp wrote: I'm callous because I believe in leaving people alone and not telling them that what I think they are doing is wrong?

Really? Then why why are you schwagging so hard on the OP?

But do go on 'cause this is way entertaining.

ddriver wrote: Really? Then why why are you schwagging so hard on the OP? But do go on 'cause this is way entertaining.

Good point. Although you are setting up a catch 22 with that, I make no claims to be less of a hypocrite than most other people.

"that" is all (really)