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New Carabiners Metolius FS Minis or more Neutrinos?

ClimberRunner · · Redmond, WA · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 25

The CAMP Nano is 23 grams. The Metolius FS mini is smaller, heavier (25g) and more expensive (or the same...)

The DMM is just a gram or two heavier than the MINI and also quite a bit larger.

And CAMP is releasing their Photon, which is similar in size to a BD hotwire, but weighs the same as a BD OZ or Mammut Moses.

Tough to beat CAMP and DMM right now.

coldfinger · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 55

Uh, NEITHER!

Nano, orbit, photon, moses, phantom, spectre.

Jay Eggleston · · Denver · Joined Feb 2003 · Points: 21,326
AlKing wrote: And CAMP is releasing their Photon, which is similar in size to a BD hotwire, but weighs the same as a BD OZ or Mammut Moses.
The Photon comes in at 29g. 27g for the Moses and 28g for the Oz. Not much difference, but not "the same".
Chris Plesko · · Westminster, CO · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 485

OZ's weigh 31g on a scale these days regardless of BD's spec.

coldfinger · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 55
Jay Eggleston wrote: The Photon comes in at 29g. 27g for the Moses and 28g for the Oz. Not much difference, but not "the same".
I suppose two grams counts for $$ with pharmaceuticals, with biners "THE SAME"!
Simon H · · Oakland, CA · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 200
Jay Eggleston wrote: No complaints, but the OZ is 1 gram heavier and has a strength of 20 kn closed and 7 kn open. The Moses is 23 kn closed and 8 kn open. Even 1 kn more in open gate strength is enough to sway me.
That 1 extra gram does buy you a hooded nose though - making it more likely you won't have to use the extra gate open strength, and the OZ is a little bit cheaper. The gate opening, gate "feel" (which is luxurious) and general size of both biners are nearly identical.

I have all of my cams on Nano 23's, and they work for that purpose. The gates aren't nearly as smooth as the Moses or Oz, and I wouldn't want them as my main QD biner.

I've played with the C.A.M.P. phantoms in REI Vegas and they're pretty incredible - the size and smooth gate of a Hotwire with the weight of an Oz or Moses? Yes please.
Scott T · · Alpine Meadows, CA · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 20
mountainmicah83 wrote:Does anyone have any complaints on the Black Diamond OZ carabiner?
Gate's a bit too stiff IMO.

Much prefer the Mad Rock Ultra-Light Bent for its buttery smooth clip...mmm, mmm good!

Another bonus is that it hangs at a more positive (ie. easier to clip) angle compared to both the OZ and neutrino. Picture this: Say the OZ/neutrino gate lines up with 0 degrees North, the Ultra-Light Bent aligns with 340 degrees NW (if the gate is facing away from you). So the rope is a bit easier to "drop" into the 'biner, instead of just "pushing" it in. The "downhill" slope of the gate, along with the bent wire, makes for the nicest clipping 'biner I've ever had! Kinda hard to explain...
Brenden Eng · · Rochester, NY · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 12

Shame the Photon's just got recalled, I really think it could be a great carabiner. The straight gate Photon is single gram lighter then the Oz but it is also 1 kn stronger closed gate, 2 kn stronger open gate and 3mm more gate opening...and 55 cents cheaper. Info is from this seasons Mountain Gear publication.

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