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Red wrote: So only AZ gumbies are to blame huh? Any proof of this? I doubt it.

No, no proof, and your are right, it's not true. However, I can assure you that as many people from AZ are now using this place as from anywhere else combined. That is a cause for concern, and a reason for NM climbers to be pissed off!!!!!!

dale polen wrote: The trash and the bolting go hand and hand. Maybe i should just chop all the bolts.

I agree with you on this point and really do wish you would chop everything you can climb. Fuck, chop it all if your feeling peppy. Perhaps someday we can throw some punos for fun.

See what I mean? No valid arguments. Just childish insults.

"l Maybe i should just chop all the bolts and ride my quad all over the protected areas because i dont like to be told what to do, wah, wah, suck suck.Your funny. Oh yeah, i also dont consider what I do if i put a new route up "developing." Hate that word, it makes me fell like im destroying something.Whatever"

I was wondering if you are aware of how insane your last statement seems especially since you re-posted and re-edited it at least four times. wish I had saved the first draft as you were in full gorilla mode. "I have all the tools to chop everything!" Try relaxing a little before you respond here........

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to bring out the capabilities or possibilities of; bring to a more advanced or effective state: to develop natural resources; to develop one's musical talent.
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to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
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To Mike D above - If you don't understand why it's a better experience to approach a piece of rock that has seen no alteration by humans, climb it with only what you are carrying, and leave it with still no alteration from humans, well, then you'll just never understand, and that makes me sad, for me, you, and everyone.

Mike Diesen wrote:See what I mean? No valid arguments. Just childish insults.

This is the pot calling the kettle black. What happened to your first post on here?

Personal e-mail from Dale Polen to me titled "Pussy"
"Do you live close enough to talk that much shit. or r u just some pussy that lives far away and talks tough behind a computer screen. jeez"

I use my real name Mr Polen and I live in New Mexico. If you think advising someone they are sounding irrational is grounds for confrontation then you need help.

Oh and a PS:
I wasn't really talking shit and I most certainly wasn't trying to sound tough. You are just on the defensive. Chill........

nippleit wrote: No, no proof, and your are right, it's not true. However, I can assure you that as many people from AZ are now using this place as from anywhere else combined. That is a cause for concern, and a reason for NM climbers to be pissed off!!!!!!

Why? Please elaborate.

"Did you add one too many fours under your age description? Just asking?" This is some sort of compliment Mr. Or a new kind of flattery,It sounds to me like a bit of aggressive backlash against me. Huh, I guess we will have to see. I am chill, had a lot of coffee yesterday morn. I was a little wired. But I I dont see how that was not an attack on me personally. Just saying. Lotsa of folks are full of insults on here until you meet them face to face. Im not an violent person, but I do like to be called names face to face. so I can laugh at you when you do it. See you at beanfest, come on down we can do absinthe together. I dont really mind folks talking a bit of crap, but it tends to stay here. Then I see folks out at the cliff and there lips tighten and they walk away. I will tell you straight your face without worry what I am saying in this thread. Im not irrational, I just know how to rock climb, care a little about how things look out there and the future of Trad climbing. Lets see, cochise was I thought a back country area, unlike Mt lemmon, and was a bit protected from sport climbers, Thats what I thought, I thought it was a place to go for others who wanted an adventure in free climbing. I guess its just another sport crag. Oh well, thanks for nothin.

See Dale this is exactly what I meant by needing to chill and slow down.
The comment:
"Did you add one too many fours under your age description? Just asking?"
Was directed at Mike Diesen because of his post I quoted. If you look....he is 44, take away one 4.......he is 4. Got it? Read first, then respond.
PS: No go on Beanfest. I am too scared to go out in public!! Don't worry about me going all tight lipped at the crag "dude".

nicley put, Will