Personal experience with ankle/clavicle fracture recovery times?
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A month ago I managed to take a very bad fall while returning from scouting a cross-country route up the west face of San Bernardino Peak just a few miles from my house. Falling about 80 feet down a steep, unconsolidated slope, I managed to sustain lots of bruises and very bad lacerations, two broken ribs, a right clavicle broken into four pieces, a broken right tibia and fibula, dislocated ankle, severe concussion and a subdural hematoma. I don't remember the fall at all. I spent the night in the mountains with SAR volunteers and got my first helicopter ride the next morning. All in all very humbling and somewhat embarrassing. Don't underestimate the hazards in second and third class terrain! |
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i sustained a tib\fib fracture about 4" above the left ankle when i was 25. |
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Cpt. E wrote:that being said, i would not want to do it over at age 40. i remember stretching and bending the crap out of the ankle region until it hurt. alot.Luckily, I'm only 38, so I guess I'm good to go! I foresee a lot of that sort of pain. after the first surgery, going from a splint to a cast, I saw my swollen foot for the first time in a while and did some half-hearted motions which were, well, very painful. Too bad there's no good way to turn the pain off without narcotics...I mean, I know something's wrong, already, body! Thanks! |
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I broke my talus bone in my ankle a year ago last week. Three screws and no weight bearing for three months. |
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And my climbing partners wonder why I hike so slow down anything that isn't a flat smooth trail and won't let them be right behind me.... Scary! Hope you heal up well! |
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JWong wrote:As for your concerns about falling, my doctor actually told me that the ankle was now stronger than before.I was actually planning to ask my surgeon if I could expect this, as I'd hear it before. I hadn't thought much about long-term sensations like the tingling you mention, but with all the slicing from the surgery I suspect there'll be some of that in store for me. When I stopped taking the Norco a few days ago, I had the MOST disquieting sensation of a large bug scurrying the length of the incision from my sternum to my shoulder. That was really weird. I still half expect to see a big dead centipede in there tomorrow when the dressings come off. Thanks! |
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Jasmine Kall wrote:And my climbing partners wonder why I hike so slow down anything that isn't a flat smooth trail and won't let them be right behind me.... Scary! Hope you heal up well!Thanks! I hoping to heal well and quickly! I've had a month to reflect on the accident, and by far the most troublesome thing about it is that I never saw the danger. We were in terrain that was steep and loose enough that I was on my guard the entire time (both for myself and the friend I'd convinced to accompany me), yet I have no recollection of embarking on anything risky that led to the fall. The way my partner described the start of the fall, I had some tremendous bad luck, but still...it's not something I should let happen again, yet I don't know how it happened. Could have ended much worse. Really going to re-evaluate my judgment skills when I return to the rock. |
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C- Chris D wrote: I was actually planning to ask my surgeon if I could expect this, as I'd hear it before.I wanted to throw this one in here because Jwong is talking about a different injury altogether. Yes, the Tib/Fib Fx site should heal as strong/stronger than what was there pre-injury. But you dislocated your ankle where J. Fx his talus, you're looking at a different set of variables for rehab. You're going to have to focus on regaining a lot of muscle strength and proprioceptive control (in rehab this is accomplished by doing exercises standing on just the injured foot. the final evolution of this would be something like one legged squats or lunges standing on a BOSU)to create a stable Talo-Crural joint. I'm not sure if the surgeon did any work on the disrupted ligaments during the repair? If so then you'll be more in the boat Jwong is talking about where re-gaining the full ROM is going to be more difficult because of the tightness in the soft tissue following the repair. Hopefully that wasn't too scattered. If dropping me a message would be helpful just get in touch. good luck w/ the healing process, BA |
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Good points Brent. I didn't look at his Xrays before I posted. But I figured his surgeon would advise accordingly. Everyone's recovery is very individualized, so it's always best to follow the Dr. |
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Man, that sounds really bad! I had a broken ankle this summer...make sure you get the best PT you can and do your exercises religiously. Cost quite a bit even with copay but having machine tests and an hour of intense work 2x a week for 2 months really paid off for getting back in the game. |
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Wow Chris that's a proud x-ray. |
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Man I don't know shit about recovery time(everybody is different) ...but I want to say I'm glad you're alive. Few will ever understand what you are going through. Be sure to stand up from your self and get the best dam doctors that you can find no matter what, even if you have to fire one. Get the best people you can find to get you back to 100%. No one's going to care about your recovery as much as you, so who better to find the best people to help you get there? |
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brentapgar wrote:I know this is going to sound stupid but trying to stay psyched and not be frustrated w/ the process is the biggest benefit you can give yourself.Doesn't sound stupid at all. I totally believe that. I know that I'll get back to 100%, and I know that it is going to be sort of slow, but I'm prepared to do what it takes, and have a high tolerance for pain, so I'm hoping that helps me through the rehab. brentapgar wrote:I'm not sure if the surgeon did any work on the disrupted ligaments during the repair?The only thing the surgeon mentioned about the ligaments was that he had added the syndesmotic screw to hold the tib and fib together for a couple of weeks to aid in their repair. That screw came out last week. I asked the surgeon a lot of questions the day before yesterday, and his primary concern now is the condition of the cartilage in my ankle. He says that is the real unknown, and will determine not so much short-term health, but future pains and arthritis. I asked him very pointedly about my return to climbing. He says the clavicle will be 100% in two months, the ankle in four! I was very surprised! Now I have a goal! |
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James Arnold wrote:...get started on the gripboard.com, get yourself a few toys like powerballs and start building from there. When I boulder, it's limited to lowballs and high (as I can go) numbers...still a billion problems to do...the most painful for me is foot jamming, so I try to stay away from the real intense stuff there...good luck!Thank you! I've been doing all I can with rubber rings and putty and light dumbells right now, but still taking it easy, as the surgeon says I'll be able to go full-bore with the arm in three weeks, and with PT be back to 100% in two months. The ankle's a different story, but not too bad...just gonna be more work. I actually mentioned bouldering to the surgeon, and made sure he understood what I meant when I talked about leader falls and the potential impact from a bouldering fall. He understood (he's a sports-medicine guy who is the US Figure-skating team doctor, or something like that) and said that in four months I'd be able to withstand any impact on the ankle that I could have pre-accident. What a great surprise! |
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Adam Winters wrote:Wow Chris that's a proud x-ray.Holy cow... Nothing compared to that "pre-surgery" picture! Gads! Here's a picture from the day before yesterday of my newly repaired clavicle. I have to wonder if putting ten screws in a bone that small might have the long-term effect of making it like a piece of perforated paper! I hope not. My ankle fracture was nothing as bad as yours. That looks really close to compound. How long did it take for the swelling to reduce enough for them to operate? Then again, I suppose they may not wait if it's that bad! Your surgeon sounds like mine...it wasn't Dr. Yu, was it? |
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EMT wrote: Be sure to stand up from your self and get the best dam doctors that you can find no matter whatThanks a ton! You're advice is spot-on, and I concur. The helicopter dropped me off at what is the "county hospital" here, i.e. where the people with no money go. I don't mean to disparage them or say that they didn't do right by me, because they did. The emergency doctors were great. I felt that I got exactly the treatment I needed. But when I tried to call to set up my appointment for the first surgery with an unknown doctor, I got bounced from phone to phone for two hours, then finally gave up. I called all the folks I could who I knew had had orthopedic work done, and all of them recommended the surgeon I ended up going with, and I couldn't be happier. The guy is amazing. I hate to think that I was about to trust the surgical repair of my broken ankle to just anyone. My idea was "hey, they're all surgeons, right?" but in retrospect, they were going to let my clavicle heal on it's own, which my current surgeon says my never have happened, and would have taken three to four months even if it did. Ugh. EMT wrote: Few will ever understand what you are going through.Again, I agree. I'd never have guessed what dealing with this would be like. One outcome of this is a re-assessment of the risks I'm willing to take vs. the reward. I can't wait to get back to climbing. It brings me such happiness, I can't imagine giving it up. But as soon as I'm ambulatory again, the motorcycle goes on Craig's list. I enjoy it, but not nearly enough to go through this (or worse) again. That said, every time I start to think I can't stand another minute stuck in the house, or after the surgeries when trying to cope with the pain through a haze of dilaudid and morphine, I quickly think "Hey, I didn't die!" That usually perks me right up. I'd advise anyone in a spot like this to think about that a lot. Always cheers me right up! And it really isn't that long from sleeping 20 hours a day and barely being aware of your surroundings to being ready to get back to work. For me it took five weeks. Back to the office on Monday, albeit in a wheelchair for another month... |
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Chris D wrote:I have to wonder if putting ten screws in a bone that small might have the long-term effect of making it like a piece of perforated paper! I hope not.Bone heals back as strong as before the fracture. Unlike soft tissue, there is no such thing as bone scar tissue. It comes back exactly the same (which soft tissue does not do). It will repair around and with the hardware and be like "one operating piece" as far as the musculoskeletal mechanics of your body are concerned. My brother broke his clavicle years ago in a snowboarding accident and had a plate and screws put in (although it did not break as many times as yours), and he has never had any real problems since in any athletic endeavor (including climbing). |
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Chris D wrote: My ankle fracture was nothing as bad as yours. That looks really close to compound. How long did it take for the swelling to reduce enough for them to operate? Then again, I suppose they may not wait if it's that bad! Your surgeon sounds like mine...it wasn't Dr. Yu, was it?I was taken to the hospital in Bishop where they took one look at it and said "all we can do is set/straighten it for you", which they did. I was then transported to Mammoth hospital that same night where they got 8 of 10 screws in before swelling set in and had to stop. I was on a morphine drip for five days, then released. One month later they installed the last two on my inside lower tibia (that sharp inside ankle bone), which was much worse than the first surgery. And 3 months after that they removed the long tib/fib screw. The only lingering pain is on the inside of my ankle, which had been sheared off completely. I'm hoping with more time it'll subside. My Doc was Mike Karch in Mammoth, friggin genius. I never had a cast. Your clavicle is going to be indestructable now! |
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I broke my clavicle a few years ago, in half with a number of shards in there. No surgery, no nothing, I was back at in less than 4 months, but damn if it doesn't still hurt. |
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Chris, |
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no1nprtclr wrote:...the fibula still has some healing to do.... Best of luck with healing and recovery!!! Be patient, life will be better again!! Buddhist quote: "Fall down seven times, get up eight" Namaste, JuanThanks Juan, You remind me of a couple of very interesting things I've learned since the accident. Mind you, this is from my readings on the internets, so take it with a grain of salt, but... It's my understanding that not only does the fibula provide very little structural support (it's primary function is to provide muscle attachment points) but it's also not attached to the knee! Rather, it's attached to the tibia just below the knee. Guess that's pretty fundamental stuff, but I didn't know. Also, I have read that many doctors treat a fib fracture like a clavicle fracture...do nothing surgical, and it'll heal over time. Interesting. The recovery from the general battering I took left me with nearly no energy at all for the first two weeks after the fall. That's when I discovered Netflix "Watch Instantly" and finally saw "180 Degrees South: Conquerors of the Useless." My favorite quote from Yvon Chouinard in that flick was "The word adventure has just gotten overused. For me, adventure is when everything goes wrong - thats when the adventure starts" Somehow I don't think he had tumbling 80 feet down a gully on a big chosspile in mind when he said that, but it sounds good. :) Hope you hit 100% before you know it! |