Eldorado Canyon: The Gambit: South Dakotan Ledge Poopers
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So this past weekend my girlfriend and I hiked all the way up to Shirt Tail Peak to do the Gambit, a very fun four-pitch 5.8 with a summit that has spectacular views in all directions. |
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Never poop on a belay ledge- If you Must (been there, done that), anchor in, lower off, lock off pendulum out and drop it elsewhere OFF ROUTE. And if you can carry TP, then you can carry a ziplock bag to pack it out in. |
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Are you positive it was from them? Did you see them do it? Doesn't matter where they are from, some people have no respect or common sense. I am from South Dakota and all the climbers I know from the Black Hills are a lot more courteous than people I have encountered in other areas. I have also noticed more ignorant climbers near metro areas. If you have an issue with something man up and say something, whining on line will not solve the problem. |
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It appears that you didn't say anything to them and then went back home to rant on your computer. We all know it's wrong...step up next time. |
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I'm also from South Dakota, and I think South Dakotans are as capable of shitty behavior as anyone. |
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It might be a South Dakota thing just to say "I was here" kind of like how Brits like to poop in the terminal sumps of caves. No shit. |
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Couple weeks back we were finishing a before work climb of Freeway (2nd flatiron) and some hiker took a fat dump at the exit. |
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Stich wrote:No shit.Har har har. |
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This thread has totally gone down the toilet! |
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Regardless if it was them or not, come on, it was the P1 belay ledge. Rap off, dump in an out of the way spot, re-climb on TR. NOT rocket science. |
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I told them not to do that. I told them to ONLY shit on SD routes, that way we don't get all the out-of-state wankers coming in to climb the shitty SD routes. Dumbass SD'ins, can't teach 'em nothin. |
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chipacles wrote:My thought: WTF??? What would you have done?i would have just complained on the internet right then and there with my iphone that i dont have |
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We'd be a lot better off if everyone, regardless of their state of origin, had one of these in their packs: |
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Leaving a 5 year old at the base of a climb for 3 hours, that is pushing it a little, but I guess it's better than sitting on the sofa playing video games all day. |
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The other day my partner told me this guy just shit in the middle of the trail near the base of the Book at Lumpy Ridge. WTF! When I saw them later I couldn't resist. "Hey man, do you know who shit in the middle of the trail?" One brit answered "yeah we have that problem in the UK too. Wasn't us, though." The other guy said "yeah, it was me. Sorry. I'll get it." Boy, was the first guy surprised and embarrassed. |
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Bob Packwood wrote:Maybe they drank too many dank Mountain Sun beers the night before? Can't fault anyone for having an assplosion from half a dozen FYIPAs.+10 |
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For those of you who said I didn't speak up, you're right, I didn't. I didn't ask if one of them had taken a dump on the ledge because what would that have really accomplished? The woman, who I'm sure did it, would have been embarrassed every time we caught up to them...I'm pretty sure she got the hint from my jokingly asking my girlfriend if there was poop on the ledge above. As for not asking them to wait for us, well, I'm new to trad climbing and wasn't sure if that is right or not...I've only heard people tell me that if others are catching up to you consistently, that you should let them pass...which we did while on Petit Grepon over Labor Day weekend. If I were a bit faster, I might have asked them to pass, but we weren't moving fast enough that I felt comfortable doing that...not to mention, they had left two kids unattended at the base of the climb. |
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chipacles wrote:And, finally, to those who commented that this was just another rant on the internet...what, precisely, do you think such comments are? Just a question...Well, if that's an honest question, here's the answer, for my own part. I addressed the person (you) that I was speaking of with the intent of communicating an idea. Therein lies the difference. Either the 'target' of the discussion is present or not... If not, it's a rant, but if so, it may be called a discussion, suggestion, or criticism, depending on how you view it, but it actually is communication. I was hoping my point to be taken for a suggestion or discussion, not as criticism. I was seriously trying to make a point that I thought might have been overlooked- that sometimes confronting a situation (as was done by the people who replied to your post) is the answer most likely to motivate change, or at least prevent a repeat performance. It sounds to me now like you were making comments intended to apply that social pressure indirectly... in which case, good for you. If manners and ethics can't motivate a person to be reasonable, then the social pressure of embarrassment seems like a valid tool. |
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Tony: I can see where you're coming from, and I appreciate your answer, but I have to disagree with some semantics. I think you can rant to a person who is present; as I see it and as I think its literal meaning goes, ranting is more about tone, indicating extremes and vehemence, neither of which were in my original post...or I don't believe they were. Perhaps my skill at writing is just poor, and so my sense of humor came across as more angry than sarcastic; if so, I apologize to all for my miscommunication. |
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You should of flicked the shit off the ledge, onto their kids below. |