Found Gear at Bucksnort Slab

We found a pair of raggedy shoes and a nice, fairly new locking biner at the base of Classic Dihedral today. Best to email me if you want them back - jason (at) fixedpin (dot) com

Not to hijack, but I was going to post this anyways...

So what is the access deal with bucksnort? The last posts said it was closed...has this changed?

The bucksnort was never closed, unless you were from boulder. squat & elephant rock are, though. if you climb at the bucksnort, stay on the slab and rap.

CRAP!! What if I set up a tent in Lafayette and live there at least 2 days out of the week??

Thanks Mark for clearing that up. Besides overall respect is there any other access issues to access the crag? Don't want to run into any gun toting fireman (see comments).

Scott, the Bucksnort Slab is owned by three landowners, two of which list their property as vacant (which means the public can access it - they do so for tax breaks) and the third has a house right above the formation. The majority of the rock is owned by one woman who has been climber friendly for decades. The other absentee landowner is also tolerant of climbers. The guy who owns the very top does not like climbers topping out as you are doing so essentially next to his backporch. Understandable in my opinion. So long story short, you can climb at Bucksnort Slab, just please rappel from the top instead of walking off. This generally requires two ropes to get down but keeps access open.

On a side note, the guy who owns Sphinx and Squat has been known to harass climbers on the Bucksnort but he has NO legal right to do so. Still, please be respectful to him.

On yet another hijack of this thread, did you hear about the famous "Make My Day" law case going on right now. The law says you can shoot anyone for being on your property, right? Well this 81 year old guy shot another guy in the head who was on his property and trying to steal his trailer, but since the robber wasn't in the man's house or armed, the landowner is being charged with attempted murder. Crazy for sure, but could also set a crazier precedent reducing the power and fear of the "Make My Day" law

Thanks Jason!!

I remember the other case last year where the guy shot a young kid "breaking into his house". In reality the kid had just moved shortly before a few houses down and was piss drunk and acting stupid.

denverpost.com/news/ci_1156…

Too bad...and unfortunently something to think about when climbing!!

Jason Haas wrote:On yet another hijack of this thread, did you hear about the famous "Make My Day" law case going on right now. The law says you can shoot anyone for being on your property, right? Well this 81 year old guy shot another guy in the head who was on his property and trying to steal his trailer, but since the robber wasn't in the man's house or armed, the landowner is being charged with attempted murder. Crazy for sure, but could also set a crazier precedent reducing the power and fear of the "Make My Day" law

Sorry to continue the hijack...but that 81 year old guy should be convicted, perhaps not of attempted murder, because it is doubtful (I hope) that the old guy intended to kill the thief, but shooting someone stealing your trailer is an overreaction of incredible proportions. Regardless, he has to raise the make my day law as a defense, that's all he's got. But a conviction certainly will not affect or reduce the statute's force because it is clearly inapplicable to the situation. While Colorado calls it the "make my day law," it is not as broad as similar laws from other states', some of which the intruder only has to be across the threshold, i.e. peeks their head through the window. Here the intruder must be inside the home, facing and moving toward the homeowner, and the homeowner must believe that he/she and/or his/her family is in danger of immediate harm.

Uhhh, hey Joe. The old man ( actually 82, the F'n paper is wrong ) claims the two drove towards him when he yelled for them to stop.

The prosecutor has discretion, what purpose is served by prosecuting this man? They interviewed his neighbors and they feel safer for what he did. If those two men had been A, deported or B put in jail for the previous crimes they had committed, none of this would have happened. When the authorities don't do their job, it is left up to the citizens.

There are also other laws which protect individuals in cases of defense where the "Make my day" law leaves off.

Hey Rick, I have no background on this, I was just going off of Jason's vague post of a guy shooting someone in the head while they attempted to steal his trailer. My bad, I should have checked on the story before posting. If the theives drove at him, well, good on him for defending himself, and you are right, the make my day law isn't even relevant, as the law re: self-defense would cover this one.

As to the rest of your post - I agree with whole-heartedly.