Can people cross to Pentapitch?

Greg G wrote:what about the riverside boulders bridge?

That's the "Walk up" part that everyone's talking about. You can cross there and then walk up to get to pentapitch still.

When you guys are asking about the pipe, are you referring to the swamp boulders pipe or the pipe where the bridge used to be? Crossing the pipe where the bridge used to be is downright dumb, but crossing at the swamp boulders, imo, isn't anywhere as dangerous as you guys are making it out to be.

sevrdhed wrote: When you guys are asking about the pipe, are you referring to the swamp boulders pipe or the pipe where the bridge used to be? Crossing the pipe where the bridge used to be is downright dumb, but crossing at the swamp boulders, imo, isn't anywhere as dangerous as you guys are making it out to be.

I have seen several people crossing the pipe where the bridge used to be. And yes... it is down right dumb. I don’t think some people know there are other options. And this is the problem...

But I guess as Boissal said "we as a user group have no responsibility to do anything". We all here know whats going on, and we know there is a problem, but lets just not think about it and continue on our way. Lets all look the other way until something happens then we can all point the finger.



ok i know a bit harsh, but you get what im saying. i only say this because i have seen the stupidity and... my apoligies, but thought there should be somehting done. a simple notice to climbers sign or something... whatever i digress... i just hope nohting happens, and this is all in vain.

(edited to laugh at myself)

Jhernand wrote: But I guess as Boissal said "we as a user group have no responsibility to do anything". We all here know whats going on, and we know there is a problem, but lets just not think about it and continue on our way.

I thought I had elaborated on that but you probably didn't read past the 1st sentence so let me make my point again.

The only thing we have to do is ensure we don't die crossing that stream. You're only responsible for your own actions in this particular case and you can't control all the idiots out there who think it's a good idea to tiptoe across a wet steel pipe to get across a raging stream.
And don't give me the Gulf-disaster-is-everyones-fault bullshit here. I don't see how the US dependance on oil has anything to do with letting Darwin do its job around an LCC stream crossing. Scale matters.

The thing we should do in the short term is try to warn people they're acting like retards (useless), try to make it more obvious that the pipe is "closed" (useless also), try to direct traffic to the lower or upper bridges (smart). Are you doing it?

The thing we should do - and are doing - in the long term is get involved with the appropriate agency and the landowner to find a permanent and safe solution to the bridge issue. Are you getting involved?

The thing we should not do anytime soon is take it upon ourselves to implement a poor solution to this problem. Someone dies on a Tyrolean and the forest service will place the blame on the user group most likely to have rigged the device, aka climbers. Do we need another black eye?

Jhernand wrote:you get what im saying. i only say this because i have seen the stupidity and... my apoligies, but thought there should be somehting done. a simple notice to climbers sign or something... whatever i digress... i just hope nohting happens, and this is all in vain.

Seems like we agree, something needs to be done. All I'm saying is that it to be done right. I'm all about posting signs, I just know it's a waste of time, they'll be ignored.
x2 on hoping nothing happens.

relax.. relax...

I did read what you had to say despite what you might think... and we do agree

and I am not givin gulf oil BS at all.. that’s why I had to laugh at myself... for even compairing it to that... still laughing

look... I am just trying to point out that it is happening, and I don’t want to see something happen that would effect us in any way. (another black eye) like a big news story on KSL to the effect of stupid climbers crossed the pipe and died!

i agree with you in the fact that we really don’t have to do anything, but not wanting to see anyone get hurt or die i think something simple posted to the pump house or something might be good. Hey im all for smaller lines at some of the walls, but I don’t want to see them that way.

am I doing anything? Well yes I am, but no I am not standing at the edge of the pipe with flyers handing them to people as the come up or drive by. But I have told people to spread the word about this problem.

im not even sure what were talking about here... (looking the other way)

Here's the deal:

At the moment, the entire trail is under closure order by the USFS due to facts that hikers and bikers are the majority of users and that the trail dead ends at the lower bridge. That bridge is going to be removed asap as it has been totaled by the FS engineer. It won't go back in until next year at the earliest, so it is likely that the trail will stay under some kind of closure until then. The FS is going to look at allowing for "out and back" access from the upper bridge to access Coalpit, Pentapitch, and the Great White Icicle, but I doubt they will modify the closure during high water.

They are looking at enforcing the closure, so don't be surprised if you get a ticket, especially if you are doing something stupid like using the lower bridge. Do not cross the pipe at the power plant where the bridge was removed! This is private property, no trespassing signs have been posted, and the pipe is not designed to accommodate passage. The SLCA has a great relationship with the landowner with whom we are working towards re-establishing the crossing. Any civil engineers out there that want to help?

Finally, don't install any Tyroleans! They have been banned by the Forest Service due to misuse leading to death and potential liability. Use one of the two undamaged crossings and walk a bit further risking a ticket, or just be patient and climb somewhere else until the closure is modified.

Jonathan, thanks for the update. It would be great it there really was some good enforcement - especially as the down hill bikers have been illegally establishing trails in the upper part of the canyon.

Thanks for the info, Jonathan.

Allen Sanderson wrote:Jonathan, thanks for the update. It would be great it there really was some good enforcement - especially as the down hill bikers have been illegally establishing trails in the upper part of the canyon.

What's up with that? I remember seeing 2 fully decked out guys with DH bikes hiking around Tanners last fall... Seems like the worst possible place to bike.
Are the new trails close to the river?

JK, thanks for the update, it clarifies a lot of things

so does that rule out superslab, the contact buttress, and humane society areas?

Boissal wrote: What's up with that? I remember seeing 2 fully decked out guys with DH bikes hiking around Tanners last fall... Seems like the worst possible place to bike. Are the new trails close to the river? JK, thanks for the update, it clarifies a lot of things

The down whorers have established several illegal trails coming from Snowturd and through the White-Red Pine area which are protected riparian areas which my understanding are not to have any trails through them of any kind. It continues through the rock moraine by Tanners before hitting an old roadbed. They have put in an other access point below Tanners that comes off the hwy that eventually joins the LCC trail.

The Forest Service knows about their activities and are none too pleased. That issue aside, once they get on the main LLC trail they are really hauling ass. While regular mountain bikers could be problematic their speed really does create a hazard with other trail users - especially families that hike the trail with little kids.

Greg G wrote:so does that rule out superslab, the contact buttress, and humane society areas?

No, not at all. Approach from Bells is no biggie. Although, I hear there's a waterfall up there too...

Allen Sanderson wrote: The down whorers have established several illegal trails coming from Snowturd and through the White-Red Pine area which are protected riparian areas which my understanding are not to have any trails through them of any kind. It continues through the rock moraine by Tanners before hitting an old roadbed. They have put in an other access point below Tanners that comes off the hwy that eventually joins the LCC trail. The Forest Service knows about their activities and are none too pleased. That issue aside, once they get on the main LLC trail they are really hauling ass. While regular mountain bikers could be problematic their speed really does create a hazard with other trail users - especially families that hike the trail with little kids.

WAFTA (Wasatch Area Freeride Trails Association) is working closely with the Forest service to legitamize most of this trail. The section that goes thru the wetlands (by the moose boulder) will go for sure though.

The downhill (DH) potheads are not the only problem on the legit LCC trail. There's plenty of non DH bikers that scare a lot of families too. Bunch of tards.

Efforts have been made to keep the DH types off the main trail completely to some success I hope.

The access to the uppermost bridge I was talking about is approx .6miles below Lisa Falls. There is a locked gate. Not too terribly hard to find.

Edit: triple post fixed.

The elusive Triple Post surfaces. Very nice.

That trail Zoso is talking about is really close to the Campus boulder and likely the best way to approach the Triangle Wall and the East end of the Coalpit Headwall.

Oh, and the Junkie Boulders are in there somewhere too.

ask a simple question... get a buttload of solutions and great info. mama always said there'd be days like these.

They are looking at enforcing the closure, so don't be surprised if you get a ticket, especially if you are doing something stupid like using the lower bridge.

Do not cross the pipe at the power plant where the bridge was removed!
This is private property, no trespassing signs have been posted, and the pipe is not designed to accommodate passage. The SLCA has a great relationship with the landowner with whom we are working towards re-establishing the crossing.

really makes you appreciate the fact that we get to use some private property as though it were public. We might start to feel a bit entitled, at least until the price tag on those bridges starts to show up...

I wasn't exactly clear on what the closure affected, so I went up there yesterday to check it out myself and see.

The closure is the entire trail, starting from the trailhead at the temple quarry parking lot, and going all the way up to tanners flat campground.

I don't know about you guys, but as much as I'd like to be climbing on the south side in this heat, I'd much rather not cast the salt lake climbing community in a negative light by willfully ignoring a trail closure and getting a ticket for it. Look, the stuff on that side is going to be there next year too, if you want to avoid the heat... head up ferguson.

sevrdhed wrote: The closure is the entire trail, starting from the trailhead at the temple quarry parking lot, and going all the way up to tanners flat campground.

Thanks, but that sucks. Jonathan? Has SLCA met with the Salt Lake Ranger District about reopening the trail? Is there a timeframe?

I went climbing at the buzz boulders last week and found it easy to cross the creek. When returning I ran into some rangers checking out the damage. I was warned that the area was closed and that I could get a fine for being in the area. I told them I did not know of this, apologized and went on my way. Just a FYI for all the pad people out there.

Zac Robinson wrote: They are looking at enforcing the closure, so don't be surprised if you get a ticket, especially if you are doing something stupid like using the lower bridge. Do not cross the pipe at the power plant where the bridge was removed! This is private property, no trespassing signs have been posted, and the pipe is not designed to accommodate passage. The SLCA has a great relationship with the landowner with whom we are working towards re-establishing the crossing. really makes you appreciate the fact that we get to use some private property as though it were public. We might start to feel a bit entitled, at least until the price tag on those bridges starts to show up...

4 days ago called... wanted to see if its post was read then...

so wait... dont cross the pipe? im not sure this was made clear until now.

THANKS!

Jhernand wrote: 4 days ago called... wanted to see if its post was read then...

it got buried on the previous page by all sorts of people who said that the pipe crossing was not that bad. Along with others recommending ways to get across to the trail and gain access to the south side.

I agree that the "Private Property" is convenient right now, but no less legitimate. Just as long as people realize that they have not right to be over there and instead could be jeopardizing our relationship with the owner or highligt his increased liability.

Plus, plenty of shade on the south side. Anyone up for this on Weds with me?
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