Salt Lake Slips - Big Cottonwood Canyon

mikewhite wrote: WOW, And I thought I was an asshole. The more time I spend on mt proj, the more I hate it.

I'm thinking probably no one would miss you if...

lane montgomery wrote: I'm thinking probably no one would miss you if...

Eh, I'd rather lose one of our several forum "tyrants" that blast people and always insist they are justified in verbally abusing someone, for whatever reason they give.

Mike's a good guy; done a lot more for our canyons here in SLC than bashing someone's 5.7 beginner article because they no longer think that 5.7 is relevant for them since they are so far "beyond" that.

lane montgomery wrote: I'm thinking probably no one would miss you if...

Untrue - Mike is a stellar guy.

I fondly remember my introduction to climbing forums. I don't apologize for letting someone know of their ignorance. I've seen it done with a lot less tact.

Besides, she's getting loads of hits on her articles, and according to the almighty tick-list, she climbs at least 5.10.

springs wrote: .... they no longer think that 5.7 is relevant for them since they are so far "beyond" that.

Also untrue, I climb a lot of 5.7 - and I like it.

springs wrote:Mike's a good guy; done a lot more for our canyons here in SLC than bashing someone's 5.7 beginner article because they no longer think that 5.7 is relevant for them since they are so far "beyond" that.

Mike is a good guy, and he has done a lot for the climbing community. Good job, Mike. We appreciate it.

Bobby Hanson wrote: Mike is a good guy, and he has done a lot for the climbing community. Good job, Mike. We appreciate it. I don't remember anyone saying anything about 5.7 being irrelevant. Strange, I must have missed that. The only thing that I said regarding experience is that Erica is writing about a topic in which she has little expertise. I don't care one iota how hard she climbs. Hell, I hardly even care how hard I climb (which is not much harder than 5.7). I don't think it is unreasonable to expect an author to have some expertise in the topic on which they are writing.

Simple really Bobby, since you're the one that re-stated it... remember saying this?
"Jeff Stephens wrote:
Imagine if I went to a cooking website and enthusiastically posted recipes for toast and jam."
"Bobby Hanson wrote: Funny that I thought of the EXACT SAME analogy."

No point in beginner info for you guys. Everything you've said about her is a slam. Pretty poor form, imo, just a bunch of insults. God forbid a beginner write about something; we're all gonna DIE NOW. Sheesh.

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Erica's article has the potential to be a great asset to the slc climbing community.
We need to support her and help in any way we can!!!!!

People don't remember that we need 2 new bridges in LCC.
Total cost for the owner will be in the tens of thousands.

How do we get the word out to the public about a fundraiser without press?

mikewhite wrote: Last post Erica's article has the potential to be a great asset to the slc climbing community. We need to support her and help in any way we can!!!!! People don't remember that we need 3 new bridges in LCC. Total cost for the owner will be in the tens of thousands. How do we get the word out to the public about a fundraiser without press?

Truer words were never spoken.

springs wrote: Simple really Bobby, since you're the one that re-stated it... remember saying this? "Jeff Stephens wrote: Imagine if I went to a cooking website and enthusiastically posted recipes for toast and jam." "Bobby Hanson wrote: Funny that I thought of the EXACT SAME analogy." No point in beginner info for you guys. Everything you've said about her is a slam. Pretty poor form, imo, just a bunch of insults. God forbid a beginner write about something; we're all gonna DIE NOW. Sheesh.

You have convinced me, springs.

Keep up the good work, Erica.

Has there ever been a thread on the proj that didn't immediately degenerate into a complete bitchfest?
I think not...
You guys: bitches.
Erica: laughing her ass off and in need of more bandwidth. WIN!

Boissal wrote:Has there ever been a thread on the proj that didn't immediately degenerate into a complete bitchfest? I think not... You guys: bitches. Erica: laughing her ass off and in need of more bandwidth. WIN!

Ha! Too true...

Although the article was poorly written from a literary stand point, I actually benefited from the information it shared. I've been living in Utah for about 2 years and I'm always on the lookout for new places to take the wife and kids climbing that are easily accessible and have moderate routes that everyone can enjoy.

JP

Anything worth doing is worth doing well. the least erica could have done is to proof read her article. if someone want to write something about something else, its ok by me, but at least edit your work, please.

John P. wrote:Although the article was poorly written from a literary stand point, I actually benefited from the information it shared. I've Been living in Utah for about 2 years and I'm always on the lookout for new places to take the wife and kids climbing that are easily accessible and have moderate routes that everyone can enjoy. JP

The Slips are great for that. As are Dogwood, and Reservoir Ridge. In LCC, I recommend Lisa Falls.

I found this article to be informative regarding an area of which I am unfamiliar. I enjoyed gleaning new information and learning about a place where I might like to go in the future. (I do spend a fair amount of time in Salt Lake City, though not enough to truly know the area thoroughly) However, I also found the article to be slightly less than well done. One would think that the scepter of public scrutiny would be a sufficient factor in motivating a person when he/she is creating a piece of writing for the public sphere.

lane montgomery wrote:Anything worth doing is worth doing well. the least erica could have done is to proof read her article. if someone want to write something about something else, its ok by me, but at least edit your work, please.

I have read articles in a variety of publications, print and online, that have had far worse grammar and were much more poorly researched than this one.

I can think of far better things to do with one's time than to bash or to nitpick someone's article about a beginner climbing area. Doubly so when you can't even put a coherent sentence together yourself, fer Christ's sake!

Maybe they should change the name of this site to bitchuselesslyaboutnothing.com.

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Here's the deal. I'm not being a jerk, just thinking critically. Erica wrote a few paragraphs about a little crag. Her photos consisted of 8 butt shots from the same route. Her descriptions were brief and non-specific. There was no detailed description of how to find the approach trail, which is a little hidden. No historical info. She only described a single climb actually. Did she do any of the others?

This same crag is covered in much better detail not only in the Ruckman's Wasatch Climbing guidebook, but already RIGHT HERE ON MP.

She is adding no value to the collective body of knowledge about this area. If she was, why not just post it as a comment on the Salt Lake Slips page that ALREADY exists? It seems rather that she is motivated to generate visits to her external web page on the Examiner. She's trying to draw readers AWAY from good, vetted information and toward her own vague, general, and uninspiring version, which is not a service. If she really wanted to inform her audience about this area, she would have simply directed them to the established resource, either by linking to MP, or citing the Ruckman guide. She wants to exploit the MP audience for links, but doesn't bother to link back to it, nor does she bother adding her "info" to the Slips page, where it might actually be useful. In other words, this is not a contribution to this community, but more of a parasitic act.

Price wrote:really, you gotta stop now. Or at least if you don't, and you continue to post here and utahclimbtards.com, prepare yourself for the ridicule you deserve. You remind me of the guy i saw yesterday climbing a 5.8 w/ his girlfriend. He had about 12 shoulder length slings over his shoulder, hung at every bolt, and put locking carabiners on half of them(rather than qds). When I asked him if he wanted me to set up a top rope on the 5.9 next to him, he replied that he was just teaching his girlfriend how to climb and he had it under control. Then again, he probably didn't go write up the experience and post it all over where people would mock him for his ignorance. Enjoy the flame.

I am just glad that you are not my dear friend Berto "The Price is Right" from Sandy. I would have had to give him some shit for being ungentlemanly.

This Price is just wrong. Be nice to the goombies! You were one once!

Jeff Stephens wrote:...

That argument has already been made and last I checked nobody cared enough to agree.
The thing with parasites is they don't give you a choice when they infect you. In this case you actually have to go out of your way to check a thread then compose an "elaborate" response to bitch and moan about it. Stick to the Ruckman's guide or the almighty Slips page of mp.com instead of farming the article for directions to the crag.

Jeff Stephens wrote:Here's the deal. I'm not being a jerk, just thinking critically.

Critically think about whether an article is the same as a guidebook or beta on a website. It's different media. If you don't like it, that's fine, no big deal. I don't see how it hurts anything by posting it here for people to read, but if it gets you stirred up, maybe it's better for you not to read it.