a note on environmnetalism...

I think most of us would agree that the majority of climbers are conscious, environmentaists. Recently, however, I've been going to a few little known crags, that are not visited by anyone but climbers, and finding trash. It is really appaling, once in a while I understand, a wrapper flies out of your pack or you drop trash and dont see it. I've been finding more trash than should be there, so, I've takin to picking it up. Im not doing it to get thanked just to beautify the places I love, but people I climb with sometimes take knowtice of it and follow suit. I commend them, and now urge you. pick up a couple peices of trash every time you climb and people will follow suit, it will add up, try it out.

I must admit this is luciferous

I think its silly when picking up trash is assigned to "being green."

I would call it "not being an idiot."

But yes, lets pikc up the trsah.

Similar to riding my bike through Liberty Park in SLC the night after "earth fest" and finding it totally trashed. Broken bottles, garbage, etc. Maybe it was supposed to be earth "fester".

kevin gmitro 1 wrote:I've been finding more trash than should be there

Pike up yer shite, or wheel sent Kev to butcher more than his keyboard.

Not everyone's going to have the walnuts to take a pro-littering stance, but I will not rest until every inch of our fair state is covered in garbage. That's why I pay taxes. It keeps garbage men working so they can afford tacos. To feed their family.

Conservationaldisinstablishmentarianism

Just wondering, how much trash should be there as a baseline measure?

You'd make a bigger impact by not using any fossil fuels to get there in the first place. Or buying equipment that they were used to manufacture. Or... Picking up litter makes us feel good. It makes no difference.

you betcha -- except our guns are much bigger

fortmental wrote: I can't recall ever seeing a bike parked near a bouldering area.

fortmental wrote: I can't recall ever seeing a bike parked near a bouldering area.

I rode my bike from campus to eldo quite a few times last year actually. And have done every single exploratory trip scrambling in the flatirons and bouldering at flagstaff via bike. Maybe you don't see bikes because they aren't as big as cars...

Ari Horovitz wrote:

Sweet! How does that do in the spring wind?

Monomaniac wrote: Sweet! How does that do in the spring wind?

pretty similarly to a sail. Kind of nerve-wracking in city traffic.

it's great that folks are riding bikes....but cars ain't that bad. I'm not saying we need to drive more!!! But....we do need to fly less! Cars are getting better (not good enough fast enough and old is almost always better than new) but, air travel is doubling it's impact ever ~10 years! We are so happy to report our eco-ness about not driving then jump on the next plane for a weekend get a way.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget that the power you're using right now to power that computer is coming from COAL that men die to dig out of the ground and burns up north at Owl canyon or one of the other 20 odd coal power plants in CO that by the way have escaped regulation thanks to the cowboy BS attitude that's epidemic here in state gov.

PS
Cows are the #1 producer of bad gas on the earth! They emit methane and it is (correct me if you know exactly) double? CO2.

PSS. besides that they fill the water with e.coli, kill rivers and streams with their hoofs (that are made for eurasian soil not NA) Buffolo are native and don't hurt the land like cows do. Why not switch? Oh yeah the meats better for you, local, they need fewwer drugs and can handle the local grass better without the need for so many weeedy grasses that further destroy our west. Cowboys and their fucking cows are the worst thing that ever happened to this country. Oh yeah, and they need to take back all those out dated water rights too that they use to grow those weeds to feed those fat cows in eastern co....and if the familys still have the water rights they most likly just grow sod for lawns with that water now to make a killing on the cheap water they have. Oh and don't even get me started on all the pestisides they have to use on all those sod feilds because they don't rotate the crops.... Ok yeah we're screwed and a lot of the problems are here in COlorado......oh look out the window an SUV and about 5 jet trails in the sky.

Bob Packwood wrote: +1 for spelling!!

dude(,) it's so windy today my letters and punctuation are getting blown all over the place;)

The Boodge and Lt Aldo Raine wrote: Dude, I got rid of my coal-powered PC a long time ago and bought a Mac. What? There's an SUV in the sky? I didn't know there were more options available on my Hummer.

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me...I just read an article on how dogs are an eco disaster...and all the owners are assholes.

I don't agree with that last part cause I know lots of great dog owners, just not my neighbors...

Skyeler Congdon wrote:Not everyone's going to have the walnuts to take a pro-littering stance, but I will not rest until every inch of our fair state is covered in garbage. That's why I pay taxes. It keeps garbage men working so they can afford tacos. To feed their family.

Did anyone else read this and think about George Hayduke driving around the desert and chucking beer cans out the window?

Eddie Brown wrote: Did anyone else read this and think about George Hayduke driving around the desert and chucking beer cans out the window?

Nope but I did think of Glee. ;)

EMT wrote: PS Cows are the #1 producer of bad gas on the earth! They emit methane and it is (correct me if you know exactly) double? CO2. P

...sadly, not true. And I say this as a quasi-vegetarian. Ruminants (animals with more than one stomach) have been incorrectly blamed for a large portion of global warming for quite some time, mostly due to "fuzzy" math. The main culprits have been and will continue to be coal and oil produced electricity.

And, although its half life is much shorter, methane traps heat up to 20 times more efficiently than CO2.

In short...when people tell you that natty gas burns cleaner, they are right...but it's how much gas escapes on the way to the market that is not figured into calculations that is worrisome...

edit: check it, grist.org/article/2009-08-0…

Eddie Brown wrote: Did anyone else read this and think about George Hayduke driving around the desert and chucking beer cans out the window?

At first I was aroused, and then I was horrified...