Seen this one before?
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I was cruising YouTube today, my favorite place for learning..., and I found this. I've never seen such a setup and it looks pretty sketchy to me. Has anybody seen this before? More importantly, has anybody USED it? To get my gear back I choose the 1/3 rope rapp. One end tied to one side of my v-thread down to the next anchor/ground back up and through my v-thread and then back down with the other end. Rapp on the 2 strands thru the v-thread and then pull the other one to get everything back. Will this method allow you to use a full 1/2 rope length? Oh, and NOT die while doing it... |
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Looks like this method would allow you to rappel half the lenght of the rope (minus a few feet for the knot). Looks rather complicated and too much room for error to save $5 worth of webbing. Maybe it is safe, seems easy to screw up and too big a risk for $5 to me. |
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I like that he seems very unsure of what he is doing at first. I also like that he throws the rope then calls rope and to top it all off at the end when he pulls the webbing it seems like it gets stuck in some of the branches of the tree, so go ahead keep pulling till they break I guess. |
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Looks like I'm not alone. I looked at a few more of this guys videos and he keeps talking about what you'd do with your clients. I'm not sure if he's AMGA certified or what. Anyway, he shows this method in another video and does mention tying a thin tag line to pull that knot. Might be fun to practice low to the ground and put in the tool box in case you have to go multiple pitches and only have enough webbing to tie one anchor with, but I think I'll stick to ditching $5 webbing/anchor for now... |
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Leaving your friend stuck on a ledge with a video camera but without a rope.... that's not cool! I wonder how he got the camera down or did he just have his friend throw down the memory card? |
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Sketch! Just leave your gear behind, cheap insurance. |
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It probably works fine, but how much does it cut away the safety factor? |
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He could have just draped the rope over the horn and skipped all of the BS with the sling and trick knot. |
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Looks like the rope would have pulled fine if he just threaded it instead of slings. |
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this may be a dumb question, I am not the most skilled anchor man (not from the movie, the other kind), but why wouldn't this guy just run the rope through the rock, rap off both sides and pull the rope, it seems safer to me, but I don't claim to know a lot. |
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Looks like it's one step up from tying a sheepshank and cutting the middle strand. |
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Dan Young wrote:why wouldn't this guy just run the rope through the rock, rap off both sides and pull the rope, it seems safer to me,oh you know. You use the webbing because maybe there's a sharp edge on the back side of the rock, you don't want that edge to cut your nice climbing rope...... yeah, that's it. The time I've used the system I mentioned in the OP was when I rapped off a sport climb with no hangers on the bolts. I didn't really NEED to, but its fun to know trivial systems sometimes. |
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Rope directly through webbing...yeah that's a good idea... :rolly eyes: |
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Tyson Anderson wrote:Looks like it's one step up from tying a sheepshank and cutting the middle strand.Looks more to me like Mules as we do the load releasable Munter-Mule; it looks like this stacks three of them. The goal here is to be able to take the rap rig with you and you only have the ability to rap on one strand. For whatever reason, he is committed in the backcountry on his own & doesn't have a tag; as more than likely, because if you were with a group on a multi-day outing, why not just carry a set of doubles/twins, or a smaller diam single & tag? Something about being exposed off the deck & really out there as far as a commitment grade, then trusting the descent on an open-ended system, if you don't do it right, is it really worth the possibility of mis-rigging this not to just carry the tagline anyway? I don't really have a problem with rapping off webbing or cord, it's done all the time and can be inspected and easily replaced; it's not the same as top-roping directly off the stuff, unless of course you were planning on making it to a morning talk show. |