Banner on the Flatiron

Storogoth wrote:Here is a photo from 1982. Big flag, it took a couple of hours to rig and was a pain in the arse in the wind. Yup, Tom Hanson in not so rare form. mountainproject.com/images/…

See, and I just don't have a problem with that.
Why not?
I think hanging there unattended would be illegal, but I'm not so sure that people would want to take you to task for an attended banner for a small amount of time.
Seriously, I'd talk to the cops.

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Boulder Revised Code

5-4-15 Posting Signs on Property of Another Prohibited.

(a) No person shall post a sign in the public right-of-way or on any other public property except on a kiosk or public bulletin board meant solely for posting signs. No beneficiary of any such sign shall fail to prevent the violation of this section. This prohibition does not extend to persons employed or authorized by the public property's owner and acting within the scope of their employment or authority.

Posting a sign and displaying a banner are two distinctly different things, the difference being an active attendance of said object.
Actively displaying an object is what we're talking about here.
Also, it's public, and not the property of another, though that may be more the grey area.

Tony B wrote:Posting a sign and displaying a banner are two ditinctly different things, the difference being an active attendance of said object. Actively displaying an object is whate we're talking about here. Also, it's public, and not the property of anohter, though that may be more hte grey area.

Tony, use spellcheck. It makes you words mean something.

I support this project 100%

Hank Caylor wrote: Tony, use spellcheck. It makes you words mean something.

Classic Quote! Nothing misspelled!

Hey, you might not ever believe this, but in all seriusness the site for the on-board spell-checker is a forbidden site from the ISP I was on. Not that it was a good excuse for the obvious ones I didn't even look at and would have noticed. I'll fix them, then people can understand?!?!
Anyway, I was 1/2 waiting for test data and 1/2 typing. Not enough attetion to detail and a 'h' finger that is faster than my 't' finger. Luckily both are faster than my 'fu' finger. Plus, I never claimed to be a great speller or typist.
As a side note, since i got your attention- Art gave me some spandex to give back to you... but I haven't been in touch lately.

Tony B wrote:Better idea- wait until night and use a green laser on a programable movement stage to "project" the image onto the flatiron like a lazer light show. Now... to find said lazer owner. That's the hard part.

These guys might be able to help:



But then this might happen:

Tony B wrote:Posting a sign and displaying a banner are two distinctly different things

Hmm... an interesting distinction. The Boulder municipal code says that "post" means to "affix in any manner, including, without limitation, nailing, tacking, taping, tying, gluing, pasting, painting, staking, marking, or writing". So provided our friend just stands on top of the 1st Flatiron and waves a banner around while holding it in his hands then he's not "posting" it. But if it's physically attached to the rock in some manner then he's in for the high jump on account of egregious violation of section 5-4-15.

For those hundreds of readers that care deeply about the nuances of the Boulder municipal code, maybe it should be pointed out that "sign" means "any object or device or part thereof situated outdoors or in an exterior window which is used to advertise, identify, display, direct or attract attention to an object, person, institution, organization, business, product, service, event, or location by any means, including, without limitation, words, letters, figures, design symbols, colors, sculpture, motion, illumination, or projected images". So you see, they even thought of the green laser and the Batman searchlight.

Tony B wrote:Also, it's public, and not the property of another, though that may be more the grey area.

Unfortunately the regulation is pretty clear on that point. It says that "no person shall post a sign in the public right-of-way or on any other PUBLIC PROPERTY".

I think Martin le Roux has summed up the situation pretty well...

If there is anything I can do here in Las Vegas to assist in this effort, let me know. I'm behind you 100%.

When I lived in Boulder, I always wanted to spell a word with food coloring on the Arapaho Glacier that was visible from town. Instead, I painted the word on the roof of the Boulder High School Auditorium my senior year, 1991. My punishment was such that I had to scrape it up and clean it off, but I believe we left a mark there that remains to this day.

Steve Gjevre wrote: "Here is a photo from 1982. Big flag, it took a couple of hours to rig and was a pain in the arse in the wind. Yup, Tom Hanson in not so rare form."

Thanks for digging up those old photos Steve!
I remember that there was a lot of lightning about that day and having to collapse the antenna on the walkie talkie since it was crackling and buzzing and our hair was standing up straight.
That was a fun summer, filled with at least one major adventure each week.

Martin le Roux wrote: So you see, they even thought of the green laser and the Batman searchlight.

Yikes, they've thought of everything!

Martin le Roux wrote: Unfortunately the regulation is pretty clear on that point. It says that "no person shall post a sign in the public right-of-way or on any other PUBLIC PROPERTY".

Got it. I agree with the regulation as you stated- and saw that earlier. I have no dispute about the interpretation other than that on public property free speach applies, whereas on private property it may not. My less clear point is that if it were inside a government building or somthing with a private interest, you might not be entitled to the same legal protections as you would in public.

Not that anything I say can be taken for legal advice. really, I'm just pondering the arguements.

It wouldn't bug me one bit to climb past a guy holding up a 20' "happy birthday" or whatever banner on the first. I'd be amused as long as it was momentary and not offensive.

Really like the direction this thread headed! Even more entertaining and spontaneously informative than envisioned. I do appreciate the helpful responses, especially Martin le Roux. I figured someone on here would know, most of you would be strongly opinionated, and by showing the thread to my buddy, he'll understand why I can't legally or morally accept his challenge. I think the banner idea has been successfully defeated. Next question, what is the best caliber for shooting prairie dogs?

A couple of you have already correctly assumed the writing on the wall, a big ol "Will you marry me?" Just imagine all the nervous guys that would have seen it! Probably best that I don't assist in overbuilding the proposal situation for future duuuudes everywhere.

I drove through Boulder yesterday; cannot imagine a more inviting place for a rock climber than gazing up at the Flatirons every day. Too bad it's full of fake hippies and cliches! Boulder is home to an interesting assortment of Patagonia clad white people who are beautiful, happy, healthy and clueless. If you haven't been, the climbing is worth it and the people really are nice, just Boulderites.

I might not be following through with the original plan but I do think I've uncovered the real Batman...or should I call you Dan Morta?

You will be arrested, guaranteed, if you come and go on regularly established access points.

Ryan Kane wrote: I drove through Boulder yesterday; cannot imagine a more inviting place for a rock climber than gazing up at the Flatirons every day.

Try Eldo at sunset or the flatirons on a snowy winter sunrise.
Chief Niwot's "Curse" was:
'Whoever shall wake to see the sinrise in this valley shall never leave it.' or somehting akin to that. Anyway, that is what happened to me.

Ryan Kane wrote: Too bad it's full of fake hippies and cliches!

Dude, it's worse than that. There are *REAL* hippies here!

Ryan Kane wrote: Boulder is home to an interesting assortment of Patagonia clad white people who are beautiful, happy, healthy and clueless. If you haven't been, the climbing is worth it and the people really are nice, just Boulderites.

Yeah, 25 square miles surrounded by reality, yada yada. BTW- there's nothing wrong with white people unless you've got racial issues. Anyway, a pal of mine once said he wanted to build a big wall around Boulder and seal it in to protect it from outside influence. I suggested filling it with water for the rest of the county to drink- somewhat kidding.

Ryan Kane wrote:Really like the direction this thread headed! Even more entertaining and spontaneously informative than envisioned. I do appreciate the helpful responses, especially Martin le Roux. I figured someone on here would know, most of you would be strongly opinionated, and by showing the thread to my buddy, he'll understand why I can't legally or morally accept his challenge. I think the banner idea has been successfully defeated. Next question, what is the best caliber for shooting prairie dogs? A couple of you have already correctly assumed the writing on the wall, a big ol "Will you marry me?" Just imagine all the nervous guys that would have seen it! Probably best that I don't assist in overbuilding the proposal situation for future duuuudes everywhere. I drove through Boulder yesterday; cannot imagine a more inviting place for a rock climber than gazing up at the Flatirons every day. Too bad it's full of fake hippies and cliches! Boulder is home to an interesting assortment of Patagonia clad white people who are beautiful, happy, healthy and clueless. If you haven't been, the climbing is worth it and the people really are nice, just Boulderites. I might not be following through with the original plan but I do think I've uncovered the real Batman...or should I call you Dan Morta?

Now did you make these assumptions while stopping for a Big Mac and Coke, just while driving by or are they just the same repeated opinions of others? Many Boulderites, while Patagonia clad, are hard working middle class. Many of the Range Roving folks down on Pearl Street are tourists. They do not live here...we rent their houses from them. Take some time to get to know some real folk from Boulder...

I understand the stereotype, but not everyone that lives in Denver is a metrosexual nor is everyone from Aurora or Longmont a knifewielding gangbanger. We have issues and stereotypes just like every other city in the world...

I like living in Boulder in spite of it's flaws and other town B.S. I can be climbing in multiple areas and styles within ten minutes of being out of work. It's a nice enough place that all the "Boulder-haters" keep coming back, even if it's just to complain. It takes more than a 1/2 day in a place, but there's a few Boulder bashing threads over on RC.com for those that feel otherwise.

Sorry for the rant, but this whole bash-Boulder thing is way old and tired...and yes I know I shouldn't contribute but I've only had 2 cups of imported Peruvian espresso bought from a dreadlocked trustifarian at a local coffee shop! :o)

Posting... What if you had 4 climbers, all spread out across the rock, where each have the sign attached to their harness? Strikes me as conforming to the definition of the law.

BTW: To hell with an Obama sticker on an Audi. I had one on my gas-guzzling pickup truck that I took elk hunting.

The best caliber for shooting a prairie dog? A 12 gauge of course: "Pull!"

.300 of course

the real question is Win Mag or Wby

Mike McHugh wrote: I can't let this one go by. You're right. Everyone in Denver has tattoos, stretched ears, an old school Colnago hat, and rides a fixie. Because they're all such unique and precious snowflakes in a sea of nonconformity. Metrosexual is so 15 minutes ago. Stereotypes are the keystone of any civilization. Stereotypes are what separates us from them.

Dang!!! I haven't been keeping up on my steroetypes!! Well at least I think I'm still correct on the Longmont one...at least that's what the Daily Camera tells me to believe!!

'I might not be following through with the original plan but I do think I've uncovered the real Batman...or should I call you Dan Morta?'

Touché. Unfortunately I spent all the funds for the Bat Signal on my rented bat-cave in north boulder. But Ryan, you're wrong about me. The real heroes are the users of MP.com without whom you'd have ended up either fined, in jail, or married.

Ryan Kane wrote: Next question, what is the best caliber for shooting prairie dogs?

22-250

Speaking of which, since they closed left hand while I lived elsewhere, what is the closest place to shoot in Boulder County? Up past Gold Hill? Ceran St. Vrain area? Can you shoot up behind the old Blue Jay mine in Jamestown still? Someone here must know.