Ha! I never have been too great at spelling, didn't know it was a prereq. for forum usage.
I just wanted to see what other people consider beta. I find it very useful to know the grade of a climb so I consider it some form of beta, definitely nothing compared to someone on the ground walking you through every last detail of the climb, but simply helpful information about the climb. Most people I come across do not consider the grade beta, and it seems that is the consensus among most people.
to think that the established rating is beta is as silly as thinking that the route name is beta. or as silly as seeing chalk on holds as beta. and then you are at the end of the spectrum of an onsight FA.
all these terms are taken too seriously these days IMO.
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