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By Skip Harper
Oct 26, 2006

Description of beta shot. As one proceedes westward out of the Baldwin Tunnel on Colo. 14, the alluring rock formations of The Palace come into view across the Poudre River on the right. Several landmarks are easily seen (following the guidebook "The Rock Routes at the Palace", S. Shannon, Poudre Press, 2004) including the 'Cirque du Poudre', descriptive of the backside of (A), 'Wall with a View' and its 'Fin' (B), and 'The Citadel' (C). An apparent wall of closely connected, blocky columns and minarets arises out of Cedar Creek Gulch which diagonals upward and right. At first glance there appears to be only one wall here, however there are actually several 'stacked' one behind the other. A black line has been superimposed along the top of the frontmost wall to differentiate it from the ones behind it. 'The Chamber' is found on the reverse side of 'E' whereas 'D' is the furthest 'back' formation. The 'Poudre Face' begins just past the letter 'E' and continues the upward trend of the formation. After first wading the river, most climbs are accessed via a main trail closely following Cedar Creek (red line/arrow).

By derek peavey
Oct 26, 2006

There a few things wrong in your photo. Area B is Wall with a view and the Fin. The Fin is really just the right side of wall with a view. Area A has no climbs on the front side. On the back side is Cirque the Poudre. Area E really isn't the front side of the chamber. It's more like the back side of the front side of the chamber. So, really Area D is both the front and back sides of the chamber. If you really want to get technical where you have D listed is the Peeps Wall and on the back side of that is the Outback area. To the right of where it says D is the Back on Black Wall. So, there are many walls with in the chamber that one doesn't see until you truly explore the area. There's going to be a new guide book out by THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUT UP ALL OF THE ROUTES AT THE PALACE WITH AT LEAST 40 MORE ROUTES IN IT. There is also another guide book coming out by some other people who had nothing to do with the Palace. Please support your local route developers. The money goes back into the area. So in actuality, everybody is helping support the area and the money isn't going to some random dudes who want to make a buck off someone else's hard work.

By Skip Harper
Oct 27, 2006

Thanks for clarifying the beta photo, Derek. It's surprising that you haven't (or someone hasn't) contributed a better one in the past. I'm sure fans of The Palace and MP would like more information from you. Also, keep everyone informed as to the progress of the new guidebook. This is great news. The highly motivated, dedicated group of route authors (Wilhelmi, Shannon, Gibson, yourself, Rodriguez, Beavers, et al.) deserve complete credit and support for developing The Palace. It's a really unique, challenging and attractive place to climb.

By Shirley Scott
Oct 29, 2006

Dear Mr. Peavey,
When one writes a critique of someone's contribution, he exposes himself to being critiqued. Your arrogant attitude and poor English leads me to the decision that I would be in safer hands to follow Dr. Harper up any rock face.
Sincerely,
S. O. Scott

By derek peavey
Oct 29, 2006

I'm sorry if you think I was being an ass. I was just clearing up some things wrong in the photo. This is the main reason why the palace hasn't been on mountain proj. Everybody always has something negative to say myself included. So this will be my last post and everybody can get second hand information on the area.

By kirra
Nov 4, 2006

dp ~ IMO, I wouldn't let the subjective opinion of 1 person influence your future contributions of accurate info. needed for the rest of us. It appears that Skip wasn't offended so just move on. I'd like to know about the book to explore this area. Looks fun ~ Thanks - Sincerely.

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See comment 'description of beta shot'.

Submitted By: Skip Harper on Oct 26, 2006