Bolts next to cracks in the Wasatch

Duncan wrote:Michael, if you don't already know then you have a lot of catching up to do.

Sorry. I read all the forums & posts. I just still don't understand what you have against him.

tim f wrote: Speculation? Aren't you insinuating that Tyler has not ignored "it" - isn't that speculation? Can you say hypocrisy? Why don't you comment on climbing?

No
I'm not insinuating/speculating/assuming Tyler has not ignored it.
I'm not insinuating/speculating/assuming he has ignored it.
I'm saying there is no way of knowing what is true on the internet.
I'm not insinuating or speculating. You are.
Looks like Tim f edits his posts, too. Therefore he must be hiding something (jk). I'm mostly trying to hide my bad spelling before Tony catches it. LOL

Michael Larue wrote: I'm not insinuating/speculating/assuming Tyler has not ignored it. I'm not insinuating/speculating/assuming he has ignored it. There is no way of knowing either is true on the internet. I'm not speculating. You are.

I never speculated, I was just asking questions (notice the question marks). But now you are the one speculating/assuming that I was speculating/assuming, thus you are a speculator/assumer.

This could go on and on. But whatever, I'm going climbing.

What a joke.

Seriously.

I would go climbing but I'm injured, I can't wait until I am not.

I answered your question. I don't dare share an opinion about climbing on here. I know I'll just be personally attacked if I don't agree with the Stiffler's Gang. We all know where that roads leads.

Michael Larue aka Tony Calderone aka Carrie Roberts aka Chippy Choperone or maybe you all went to the same grade school where you learned penmanship and grammar. I'd bet money on it and I like easy sure investments of income.
Oh, and Tony, you accused me of attacking you. Do I have a real name? Maybe I am Carrie Roberts. Will the real Michael Larue please stand up?

Steve White wrote: The admins should look at the ISP of this "person" to see if he has violated the multiple accounts "rule." He quotes like Tony. His punctuation is just like Tony's. And he is the only other one, besides Tony, who has called Tyler and his friends a "gang." Nice conspiracy Tony. What a joke.

Another observation - Michael Larues first post was only minutes after Tonys last post, and he has not posted since... Interesting...

At least maddog, toejamfootball, etc. were quite funny and entertaining. Can't say the same about Tony's alias, err, I mean Michael Larue.

James Garrett wrote:Michael Larue aka Tony Calderone aka Carrie Roberts aka Chippy Choperone or maybe you all went to the same grade school where you learned penmanship and grammar. I'd bet money on it and I like easy sure investments of income. Oh, and Tony, you accused me of attacking you. Do I have a real name? Maybe I am Carrie Roberts. Will the real Michael Larue please stand up?

Hold on here...leave me out of this one. I'm in the front range at the moment waiting for tonight's snow to hit! If you check my profile, I'm probably a real person.

Well, my injury has me sidelined so tooling on the internet is what I am left with. Such a shame.

You guys are all worked up about who Michael is! Seems that Jesus would know, being a supreme being and all....where has he been since the kissing incident...we should ask him.

What was the topic again?

Michael Larue wrote:I'm pretty well convinced of a few things myself: there are very few people accusing Tony of doing anything wrong. They rarely cite anything he did. They mostly attack his personality. Their accusations are based on speculation. They provide no evidence. They are masquerading as many more people (see what the administrators have had to keep doing on here). The whole group of them speculate, troll, flame, personally attack, create nasty forums, etc. They obviously have something personal against the guy that has nothing to do with bolts and/or are dealing with their own demons. They are curiously defensive. It is as if they feel like they are guilty of something. Tony, on the other hand, rarely gives his opinion about anything, states it as an opinion when he does, NEVER personally attacks anyone, ignores inflammatory/abusive remarks. Why don't they just ignore him if they don't like what he has to say? That's what Tyler should have done.

Michael or Tony or Blessed by Jesus.
The only thing I ever strongly wanted to know from Tony was whether he removed the bolts on OTABC. Instead we had to discuss the meaning of chopping versus removing bolts, the meaning of altering routes versus changing the number of fixed protection points etc. etc.

I never attacked Tony, despite the fact that his responses were not straight up. I still dont think he ever asnwered James question about altering routes that James has put up. Fact is, Mr. Calderone answered in riddles. I even admitted to being dense, not getting it, and asking in plain english about what modifications Tony did. I think he finally answered but that thread was deleted.

I have no more questions for Tony or you Michael.

Tyler posted that he did try and ignore Tony. But if Tony's e-mails to me are any indication, then it gets tiring trying to ignore that. For you to say what Tyler should or should not have done is BS unless you are Tony. Then it is steaming dung, served up by Tony after Tony bugged Tyler enough for a response.

Stifflers Gang? Hahaha. Having some friends to climb with is awesome. I think they should get some leather motorcycle jackets and wear those Nazi helmets with the spike on top when climbing.

I think that there were few who attacked Tony, and many who disagreed with his views and approach. Consider me in the latter.

Oh and Craig? I think the issue was bolts next to cracks. There are not to many of them and the last ones were posted in a pic by Jonathon K. And he is right, the chains there are ugly and downclimbing from there is like 5.4 so getting rid of those seems like an OK idea. But thats just my 2 cents.

On topic: Shouldn't we consider rock quality and type? You guys have excellent splitters in solid rock. Down south, we have a few sport routes that have gone up next to a decent crack that takes gear. Thing is, it is questionable limestone. Gear seems to be really fond of blowing out of that stuff. Nothing has followed the crack top to bottom, but this is primarly a sport area with a brutal approach.

I think bolts are just fixed pitons in disguise!

Off: Stiffler Gang? Didn't they go to college and get married back east anyhow? LOL, a bunch of pie humpers wearing leather! Though the spiked helmets would provide an additional motivation for not taking a whipper on your belayer. Do they all have matching tatoos?

I wonder when the Pope is going to start posting? Maybe Jimmy Hoffa, I heard he is climbing 14's in Rifle!

Michael Larue wrote: No I'm not insinuating/speculating/assuming Tyler has not ignored it. I'm not insinuating/speculating/assuming he has ignored it. I'm saying there is no way of knowing what is true on the internet. I'm not insinuating or speculating. You are. Looks like Tim f edits his posts, too. Therefore he must be hiding something (jk). I'm mostly trying to hide my bad spelling before Tony catches it. LOL

wow I recognize the style!!!
a beer if you guess whom I am thinking of

Gary
Is there a guide for the boulders, in the gate area?
I noticed , a change of names, for some of the old standards.
The ramp, is now called Road Rash ?
The hand traverse, on the standard overhang was called the gorrilla traverse. ETC.