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By hyadventure
From Santa Ana
Oct 31, 2012

I just had a lengthy conversation with the BLM's camp host at New Jack City. Apparently the BLM is not real happy with the way climbers have been following their (newish) rules and they are considering a crackdown. As many of you know the BLM has made some improvements to the area in the last two years. Some are for the better, some for the worst. With the "improvements" came rules (see the pic below)

He repeatedly told me the area is intended to be a family campground. If that's true they should have built it elsewhere; NJC is clearly a climbing area with little to offer to the general public. But, if climbers don't work with the BLM at NJC there will clearly be repercussions to the climbing community.

Some of the camp hosts issues were:
Glass containers are no longer allowed (they are a bit late with this rule.)
Camping is limited to established camp sites.
Car's are not to be parked outside of their "improved" parking areas.
Limits on the amount of cars and people per campsite (although there are no posted limits)

New Jack City Rules
New Jack City Rules


I asked him to reach out to the community (like I'm doing) and let us know the BLM's concerns, but he didn't want any of that, he just inferred the BLM will have more rules and will enforce them more vehemently. So be respectful, be good guests, and know that NJC isn't a free-for-all any more.


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By Jcrew
Oct 31, 2012

this guy isn't even the host,his wife is. he is a janitor, charged with scrubbing bathrooms. he has some kind of authority problem, and my guess is if enough people complain, he will be replaced with a real climber's host.


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By Gregory D
From La Verne
Oct 31, 2012
fun in the (twilight) sun

We climbed at New Jack on Sunday and had no problem finding a "spot" to park and drank from our aluminum cans. In other words we had no problem abiding by the new "rules". Now if we could just get some kind of rule against leaving three top ropes up for "your group" and walking away for two hours with no sign of your "group".


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By hyadventure
From Santa Ana
Oct 31, 2012

I agree, the camp host is as aggressive a Yosemite Ranger. He approaches us a couple times in the first hour we were there. But the point is NJC is not the free-for-all it used to be; be cool and don't cause problems for the rest of us.


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By susan peplow
From Joshua Tree
Nov 1, 2012
Beer Anyone?

My cut/paste from supertopo



Agreed, climbers are typically in compliance. Maybe this is is a new dude and not familar with the law-abiding climber type? If so, let's try not and be combative but educate the man that we are on the "good-side" of things. For now I plan on being respectful and assuming the host is trying to protect our public lands.

I certainly hope they're not one of those power hungry host type. If so, he doesn't know what he's in for. Lots of educated, professional climbers willing to go to the mat if needed.

As it has it, we're going to NJC tomorrow. This post couldn't have come at a better time.

~Sooze

edit: Yeah Erik, I was with Caughtinside when the slow-down motion came at 3 mph and the cruise throught the loop. WTF Host-Dude, shouldn't you be manning your 4 sticks of wood for a $5 "donation"?


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By randy88fj62
Nov 1, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades

I was there last weekend. We had over 13 cars at the group site. He never checked on us and we never had any problems. We made sure to clean the site well before we left.


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By kennoyce
From Layton, UT
Nov 1, 2012
Climbing at the Gallery in Red Rocks

susan peplow wrote:
WTF Host-Dude, shouldn't you be manning your 4 sticks of wood for a $5 "donation"?


Are they charging $5 now? Last I was there was in April and as of then there was still no fee.


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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Nov 1, 2012
Courtright Reservoir, September 2013

How the heck do you even go 5mph? My cars don't even have that indication, and it's absurd to believe that it can even be enforced. And no shooting of guns? What has come to the BLM? lol


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By randy88fj62
Nov 1, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades

Adam Stackhouse wrote:
How the heck do you even go 5mph? My cars don't even have that indication, and it's absurd to believe that it can even be enforced. And no shooting of guns? What has come to the BLM? lol


You can drive right outside the gate and shoot if you like. I prefer no one shooting in the vicinity where I am climbing. The mph sign is silly. I'm not sure they can enforce that. BLM speed limit is 25 mph on unmarked dirt roads?


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By Joe De Luca
From yucca valley
Nov 1, 2012
railroad gin v0 FA. JOE DE LUCA

All the rules are just part of over use by climbers, I know the climbers are the ones who helped clean this place up back in the 90's and made it what it is today but when the BLM. comes out and see huge groups of climbers they start to regulate. the way to stop this is stop having meetup groups show up with huge numbers of people or they need to pull permits for Special events, this is the same thing that is happening at Holcomb valley in big bear the US. forestry would love to shut Holcomb down due to over use and bad judgment by a few climbers. the rules are plane and simple all organized events on government land with 10 or more people means you need a permit and yes you bet the blm and forest service are keeping tabs on meetup climbing groups. you might not like what i am saying but it is the simple truth climb in small groups outside and keep it open for all of us.


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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Nov 1, 2012
Courtright Reservoir, September 2013

Joe De Luca wrote:
All the rules are just part of over use by climbers, I know the climbers are the ones who helped clean this place up back in the 90's and made it what it is today but when the BLM. comes out and see huge groups of climbers they start to regulate. the way to stop this is stop having meetup groups show up with huge numbers of people or they need to pull permits for Special events, this is the same thing that is happening at Holcomb valley in big bear the US. forestry would love to shut Holcomb down due to over use and bad judgment by a few climbers. the rules are plane and simple all organized events on government land with 10 or more people means you need a permit and yes you bet the blm and forest service are keeping tabs on meetup climbing groups. you might not like what i am saying but it is the simple truth climb in small groups outside and keep it open for all of us.


I'm "in the biz" as they say, and I don't understand this. Everything I guess has a carrying-capacity but I can't imagine a permit/regulatory process doing anything to dampen the perceived degradation of resources in this area. The BLM has designated this area as impacted/disturbed a long time ago. Because it's now popular with recreationalists they think they need to do something about preserve it or controlling it? Groups aren't the problem....


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By Tristan B
From La Crescenta, CA
Nov 1, 2012
Hanging out on Royal Arches

Huge groups suck.


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By Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Nov 1, 2012
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Kali. Alabama Hills, CA.

Tristan +1


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By Joe De Luca
From yucca valley
Nov 1, 2012
railroad gin v0 FA. JOE DE LUCA

Adam Stackhouse wrote:
I'm "in the biz" as they say, and I don't understand this. Everything I guess has a carrying-capacity but I can't imagine a permit/regulatory process doing anything to dampen the perceived degradation of resources in this area. The BLM has designated this area as impacted/disturbed a long time ago. Because it's now popular with recreationalists they think they need to do something about preserve it or controlling it? Groups aren't the problem....


you are right groups are not the problem right now it is the one or two people making bad decisions that affects all of us but the big groups bring more attention to the place and the permits are a way to make more money for the good old government.

This is a statement from the BLM. (Organized Group Activity or Event means a structured, ordered, consolidated, or scheduled event on, or occupation of, public lands for the purpose of recreational use that is not commercial or competitive, and which BLM has determined needs a special recreation permit based on planning decisions, resource concerns, potential user conflicts, or public health and safety.)


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By gearwhore
From Orange, CA
Nov 1, 2012

OP - Thanks for posting up.


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By susan peplow
From Joshua Tree
Nov 3, 2012
Beer Anyone?

kennoyce wrote:
Are they charging $5 now? Last I was there was in April and as of then there was still no fee.


NO....sorry if I was not clear. I was making a funny by suggesting that maybe the host should just stay at his rig selling for firewood. It's often frowned upon or even illegal for hosts to "sell" firewood so they post signs for "donation". There is no Use Fee for use of the area.

Update from Thursday. We arrived without so much as even a wave of hello. No heads poking out, loop driving, waiving us down or any questions asked. For all we know they're passed out in their RV. It appears to be the same set up as last year, nice and tidy area for their residence and reports of maintaining the cleanest bathrooms in the BLM.

Best I can tell, it's hit or miss as to whether you get accosted from the guy. I'm still sticking with being respectful and I'm sure he'll reciprocate.


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By Nelson Day
From Joshua Tree, CA
Nov 3, 2012
me (about to sneeze)

Actually, the host when I was there was very friendly. He is/was a nice guy! Totally out of character for the typical camp host job interview prerequisite of being an asshole.

Kind of funny, it started raining when I was going up a climb out there one weekend, and he drove up to the crag and yelled up to me "hey, it's raining!". Kind of a "no shit" situation, but he was just trying to be friendly/helpful.

Maybe it goes without saying, but we should all try to abide by LNT (leave no trace) ethics, as with any climbing area. That way the BLM will not become jaded or send out someone to raise hell and be an asshole to climbers. I have noticed broken glass in the fire pits, and at the base of a few climbs, which is horrible! Maybe this isn't climbers doing this type of damage, but I think we all know better than to do this type of thing... I enjoy the new camping facilities (awnings and picnic tables) and fire rings provided by the BLM; we should show some respect! I only hope they don't start charging for camping. That would be a reason for outrage... New Jack City, a family destimation? Really? Hahaha


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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Nov 3, 2012
Courtright Reservoir, September 2013

Great posts Susan (respectful) and Nelson (clean up your shit and maybe a little of others). Completely agree.


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By Blitzo
Nov 3, 2012
Altared State-Blitzo Self-Portrait. <br />Photo by Blitzo.

The host has never bothered me. He's always just waved and left us alone.


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By other
From San Diego, CA
Nov 14, 2012

Are there going to be cops ticketing people? That's the only way those overbearing rules will be enforced. I thought most of the visitors WERE shooters and off roaders, NOT climbers.


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