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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 21, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: ATS,
Your posts have been offensive. You and Henry have continually insulted me for not joining in on the which hunt.
Now you have posted a private Email - and I was taking bets that you would - which proves that you are more interested in flaming me than in intelligently and maturely discussing the issue. Your need for attention is getting tiresome.
Here it is: I meant everything that I said in that Email. You are adding nothing productive to this discussion. I haven't attacked the messenge... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 20, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: ATS,
Feel free to debate the issues.
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 20, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: ATS wrote: “Well said Bradford. With one or two verbose exceptions, I think all of us in this forum understand what went on there, and the lack of foresight and respect that occurred. “
ATS,
Insulting those of us with a more rational view does little to validate your argument.
What do you actually know about how much or little forethought preceded Dean’s decision to free solo Delicate Arch? You seem to speak only from a climber’s mindset, which places you squarely in the minority. “When you ... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 20, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Larry wrote: “It was not me who wrote that. I just wanted to include the response of one closer to the nps.”
Please accept my apology for the mistake.
Larry wrote: “It doesn't matter whether your argument is valid. What matters is the repurcussions from the event.”
The repercussions (new restrictions) from Dean’s ascent should be held in question by the entire climbing community for the simple reason that they are not justified. They have no direct relationship to his alleged indiscretion. A... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 19, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Phil,
Your post makes no sense - none. Sight an example of this alleged double speak. Trust me, Phil. If this were you on the firing line, and you knew that you were being unjustly hammered, you would be thankful for my position.
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 19, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Larry,
Doesn't it seem a bit odd to you that the nps would specifically ban nailing and placing anchors on towers as punishment for one person's free solo of DA? Moreover, wouldn't you agree that punishing the entire climbing community for the - at best - questionable actions of one to be excessive?
I'm not buying it, Larry, just as I didn't buy Bush's excuse for invading Iraq. As a park service official, you could have posted something more informative and enlightening than that.
Forget tryi... more >>
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Location: Updated Arches regulations
By: KCP When: May 19, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Sure, Tea. Like I said: What do nailing and placing anchors have to do with Dean's free soloing DA? When you can answer that, then we'll talk. Until then, I'll defer to common sense and deductive reasoning.
If it waddles and quacks like a duck, it usually is.
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Location: Updated Arches regulations
By: KCP When: May 19, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Bruce Hildenbrand wrote: "Let's face the facts. Dean has been pushing the NPS's buttons for a while, first with his slacklining and now with the highly publicized ascent of Delicate Arch."
I see. So Dean is the only person to have slacklined in that area? It's all his fault. None of this stuff was on the minds of this superintendent before Dean climbed the arch? Please explain to me what banning anchors has to do with climbing the arch, that there had to be an emergency moratorium. I am all ear... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 19, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Here is a quote by ProfessorFate, in Supertopo, which I believe warrants serious consideration before you send Dean down in a ball of flames.
ProfessorFate wrote: "Too quick to be exclusively a reaction. Bureaucracies do not move that fast. They were waiting to do it. They just used Dean-gate as the catalyst/excuse."
Now is especially not the time for visceral, knee-jerk accusations like: "Thanks, Dean."
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Location: Updated Arches regulations
By: KCP When: May 19, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Here is a quote by ProfessorFate, in Supertopo, which I believe warrants serious consideration before you send Dean down in a ball of flames.
Professor Fate wrote: "Too quick to be exclusively a reaction. Bureaucracies do not move that fast. They were waiting to do it. They just used Dean-gate as the catalyst/excuse."
Now is especially not the time for visceral, knee-jerk accusations like: "Thanks, Dean."
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 17, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: I was almost bullied out of this forum, because of my position, which, after some thought, caused me to decide that I am not done here. Caveat: For those of you, who don’t like what I have to say, block your ears.
I went to two major climbing stores and one bike shop, today, and I spoke to seven local climbers and three non-climbers. Here is what they had to say, in a nutshell: No Big Deal. In fact, two of them hadn’t even heard of the incident. When I asked those two how often they climb, one ... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 17, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: In the spirit of not further inflaming the situation, I will state my position on a few of the matters thus far discussed, and then I will bow out of the discussion.
1) I believe that the rules regarding DA were unclear, and I am inclined to believe that Dean believed that he was not breaking them at the time of his ascent.
2) I am happy, regardless of the source of inspiration, that the rules regarding DA have been made explicit. I am also happy that measures will be taken to preserve this la... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 17, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: "I might add I don't appreciate your personal 'attack' on George or Lowell. Those might be interpreted as violating Guideline #1.
Because of this, I am done debating with you. Hopefully, that is clear."
You are welcome to do as you please, and I will take no offense to your decision, either way. However, you insinuation that I have attacked George or Lowell is absurd. Suggesting that someone grow up, when they have made unsubstantiated accusations about a person's actions and character, ... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 16, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Well, at least the gloves are off now, so lets get real about this. I'll start.
Lowell Skoog wrote: "There goes your credibility, Ken."
I've been involved in this sport for thirty years, on numerous levels - sponsored climber, fundraiser, instructor, guide, professional photographer, and as a general lifestyle. I looked at your profile, and I saw basically nothing to validate your assault on my credibility. Moreover, I own a business in Salt Lake, so I am very active in the community. Conseque... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 16, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: George Bell wrote: "I guess it's clear now where the players stand: Potter thinks what he did was fine and could care less what climbers or anybody else thinks. Patagonia takes no position at all and probably hopes all this will just go away. We all wonder where Dean's vision will take him now from the pinnacle of his sport, and whether Patagonia even wants to know what that vision is. At least the Access Fund had the guts to say they did not think his ascent was right.
I think the whole point ... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 15, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: ATS wrote: "Is the writer of this thinking as a fellow climber or as a Joe citizen?"
Thirty year veteran climber, forty-six years on the planet. I am thinking as both. What is your point?
ATS wrote: "Finally, step out of this climbing forum. If the NPS makes a big deal out of it, then he really screwed up for all of us. If they dont make a big deal then he still really screwed up but got away with it."
So is this your reason for the diatribe? Will you feel cheated out of something if he, as y... more >>
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 14, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: George,
With all due consideration, your post sounds as though it were written by a spiteful teenager. Do you actually know Dean? Were you privy to his conversation with the ranger? You sound like you want him to be guilty.
One would think that someone who has been around as long as you would have learned not to make snap judgments.
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 13, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headlines/story.aspx?content_i>>>
deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635206306,00.html
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Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: KCP When: May 13, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: Maybe it’s time for everyone to take a deep breath, because character-assassinating Dean will do nothing toward reconciling this situation.
He did not shoot down a nest full of peregrine falcons, nor did he break a specific law - or rule - for that matter. Several news agencies quoted Arches Park Superintendent (Laura Joss) as conceding that Delicate Arch was not specifically closed, but that most climbers understood that it was off limits. Joss also said: "No other climber has interpreted the... more >>
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Location: CO : Boulder : Eldorado Canyon SP : Warning: The rappel tree on...
By: KCP When: Apr 13, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: You're right, Tony. My post came off as overly critical. I am a straight shooter, and my style sometimes doesn't seem to lend itself well to online discussion. I apologize if you were offended by my post, and I want you to know that my criticisms were in no way meant to insult you.
As for the tree, my point was that not everyone who rappels from that tree is a scientist, and many aren't going to know how to evaluate its integrity. They will, however, be inclined to take the word of an experienc... more >>
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Location: CO : Boulder : Eldorado Canyon SP : Warning: The rappel tree on...
By: KCP When: Apr 12, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: As I said, Tony, I am not looking for an argument. The tree is not safe if the root system is not firmly intact. There is no need for you to be defensive. All we are trying to do is reconcile what is likely a serious safety issue. Open debate is the best way to bring the various considerations into a clearer view. Your personal experience, as much as the views of others, with experience in that area of the crag, will help toward that end.
Regards,
KC
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Location: CO : Boulder : Eldorado Canyon SP : Warning: The rappel tree on...
By: KCP When: Apr 12, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: You may be right Bob, but I'm inclined to believe that you are just looking for an argument with me. I've just been there to inspect the condition of it, and you have admittedly not. While I am not a tree doctor, I do have a good understanding of mechanics. So your comment on my method of assessing the system is about as worthy as a penny-plug. Purdue University thought I was qualified to teach statics for mechanical engineers (ME201) and physics to science majors (Ph152,201,202... more >>
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Location: CO : Fatality at the Garden of t...
By: KCP When: Mar 15, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: A good number of these posts indicate that we are falling prey to the blame game. This is always a dead-end road. The real issues, in my opinion, are liability, public perception, and access - all being interconnected.
Arguing over whether or not this person was behaving irresponsibly is a moot point. He soloed, fell, and he died. The public at large is going to view this from their limited knowledge of our sport (Is that the sport where you bang spikes into the wall and pull yourself up?).
T... more >>
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Location: CO : Fatality at the Garden of t...
By: KCP When: Mar 9, 2006 | view comment >> |
Comments: In light of the increasing number of restrictions and closures of popular climbing areas, it seems to me that it is important that the climbing community respond to such reports with editorial submissions to the local press, making it clear to the public that these are not the actions of climbers, but are nothing more than irresponsible actions of non-climbers, who have neglected to procure the proper training required to pursue this sport in a relatively safe manner.
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Location: CO : Boulder : Eldorado Canyon SP : Redgarden Wall : Redgarden - Tower One : Art's Spar (5.10c)
By: KCP When: Oct 1, 2005 | view comment >> |
Comments: This was one of the first routes that I did in Eldo, and it is among my favorites. I can't imagine it ever being considered 5.11. I did it in the early nineties, so I don't know if the hold was broken by then, but it felt like mid-range 5.10 to me. I have done many of the 5.11 Eldo classics, and this route seems nowhere as hard.
I have free soloed Tagger at least fifty times, and it always seemed harder than this roof. Maybe it is a hand size and height thing for some people. At any rate, it i... more >>
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