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Location: AZ : Southern Arizona : Mendoza Canyon (aka Coyote ...
By: Charles Vernon When: Mar 10, 2009

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Comments: Does anybody know for sure at what point in the spring the ranch denies access along the ranch road?

Location: AZ : Southern Arizona : Mount Lemmon (Santa Catalin... : Mount Lemmon (Catalina High... : 4 - Windy Point West : ... : Billionaire Boys Club (5.10a)
By: Charles Vernon When: Mar 1, 2009

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Comments: I disagree with Wes about the protection. Textbook cam placements protect the crux, but they are in somewhat questionable rock--could pull out and the bolt would not keep you off the ground at that point. But maybe I have not been climbing enough lately to be objective, who knows.

Also, FYI, this route is right at 100 ft, rather than 80 as indicated above and in the guidebook.

Location: CO : Gunnison : Black Canyon of the Gunniso... : North Rim Routes : North Chasm View Wall : ... : Photo
By: Charles Vernon When: Feb 15, 2009

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Comments: I'm a little confused...I think this looks like the other side of N.Chasm View, but backwards. In other words, I can't find the Scenic Cruise in this photo. Nevertheless I like it.

Location: AZ : Southern Arizona : Cochise Stronghold
By: Charles Vernon When: Nov 26, 2008

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Comments: Thanks! Heading out to the West side now....

Location: AZ : Southern Arizona : Cochise Stronghold
By: Charles Vernon When: Nov 25, 2008

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Comments: I'm planning a trip into the Stronghold for Wed-Fri, unfortunately the weather looks terrible and I'm wondering if I should be concerned about the road into the west Stronghold, where we were planning to climb (i.e., if we get in there and then endure torrential downpours, will the drive out become problematic for our 2wd car?).

I'm assuming the east Stronghold road would be a better alternative but having never been to either, I just don't know--any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!

Location: CO : Gunnison : Black Canyon of the Gunniso... : North Rim Routes : The Painted Wall : ... : Photo
By: Charles Vernon When: Oct 7, 2008

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Comments: I'm going to be very disappointed if a TR isn't forthcoming on piquaclimber.com!

Location: AZ : Southern Arizona : Mendoza Canyon (aka Coyote ... : Elephant Dome : The Elephant's Trunk (5.7)
By: Charles Vernon When: Oct 6, 2008

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Comments: Based on the comments about the descent described above, I'd have to recommend the east side descent (described under B-Cubed). The east side descent has the distinct advantages of 1) requiring only one (60M) rope, 2) very low possiblity of stuck ropes (and would be very easy slab climbing to unstick them if need be), and 3) puts you on the ground very near your packs instead of having to go down, around the formation, and up again.

Location: WY : Wind River Range : Deep Lake Area : Haystack Mountain : Southern Wall Left (5.10c)
By: Charles Vernon When: Sep 16, 2008

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Comments: I'd reiterate what Stan says about the crux being hard to protect. I backed off this pitch when I was 20 ft. above my last gear, unable to get anything in, unable to see any good placements up above, and right in the middle of 5.10 climbing at my limit. We had a fairly spartan backcountry rack, though. Some extra tricams, large hb offsets, or small offset cams (which neither of us owned anyway) could help, as the crack is more of a flared overlap.

Or being bold could help. I wasn't.

The clim... more >>

Location: CO : Gunnison : Black Canyon of the Gunniso... : North Rim Routes : The Painted Wall : Southern Arete (5.10 R)
By: Charles Vernon When: Sep 16, 2008

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Comments: George, that's interesting. I'm not sure what you mean by "trouble". We did the 5.7 no pro chimney (an obvious feature), and it led directly to the 5.9R face pitch, described by Steve Levin above, and by the book. I thought that pitch was "trouble" in the sense that it was potentially dangerous, but it was on route and easy to find (and awesome climbing I might add).

How well did your variation protect? The existence of a less scary variant might make this route more attractive for me to re... more >>

Location: UT : Moab Area : Castle Valley : The Rectory : Fine Jade (5.11a)
By: Charles Vernon When: Aug 24, 2008

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Comments: Dean, I rapped this route with a 60 meter one time. One rap (I can't recall which as it was several years ago) took all the rope, but with a 70 you'll be able to do it comfortably.

Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : Long's Peak : Photo
By: Charles Vernon When: Jul 11, 2008

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Comments: Beautiful! Allen, where did you shoot this?

Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : Long's Peak : Chasm View Wall : ... : Photo
By: Charles Vernon When: Jul 8, 2008

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Comments: I've taken this same picture, from just down the ridge from where the route tops out. Easy to reach from the Boulder field too. It's great to be able to take such a spectacular photo without any shenanigans.

Location: NM : Albuquerque Area Climbing : Sandia Mountains
By: Charles Vernon When: Feb 22, 2008

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Comments: Can anyone comment on a) current snow conditions and b) the temperatures to expect up on the rocks, if Albuquerque is forecast for low 60s and sunny (as later next week)? Specific routes I am considering are the Thumb and Needle ridge climbs, and Procrastination on the Shield. Thanks!

Location: NM : Las Cruces Area Climbing : Organ Mountains : Sugarloaf Area : Sugarloaf : Photo
By: Charles Vernon When: Dec 9, 2007

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Comments: When I climbed this route we also didn't go to the overlap shown as belay #5. Instead, I traversed right lower and then went up to a set of bolts in the middle of nowhere (on the next pitch I continued up face climbing with no pro to belay #6 and then up the crack above). For me this was by far the scariest climbing on the route--over a hundred foot runout with absolutely no pro anywhere, with some 5.6/5.7 near the end. It is the one thing that gives me pause at the thought of doi... more >>

Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: Charles Vernon When: May 30, 2006

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Comments: Phil,

I have no wish to continue the general debate further, and I certainly respect your opinion. From your other posts on this site you are clearly a guy who doesn't pull any punches when you have something to say, and under other circumstances that's very exciting for me to read when you are talking about, say, routes on the Painted Wall (loved your Southern Arete story), or things of that nature.

I will just address the one quote in question since it is still 'out there'. What Dean actua... more >>

Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: Charles Vernon When: May 28, 2006

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Comments: Phil,

I've frothed at the mouth plenty of times while posting on this site. It happens. I am not actually suggesting that Mr. Potter should sue you for libel.

But specifically, I take issue with your first comment (the second overall comment on this thread). You made this comment right after the climb became known, and certainly well in advance of any point at which all the facts could be considered "in". I think the derisive and offensive remarks directed at Mr. Potter in this comment are... more >>

Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: Charles Vernon When: May 26, 2006

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Comments: Brad,

What kind of trust could possibly have existed between climbers and the NPS if all it takes, from the latter's perspective, is one (ultimately harmless) act on the part of a single climber to break it?

Let's say that we fully accept the concerns of the NPS regarding Dean's Delicate Arch climb. I still fail to see any reason why this should be an indictment of the climbing community as a whole....unless of course, we have something to hide.

Location: Delicate Arch Climbed!
By: Charles Vernon When: May 25, 2006

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Comments: I have to agree with Ken. The hysteria about potential climbing closures that pervades all these comments is misplaced. Stop and think for a second about the NPS banning climbing throughout Arches (let alone in other parks as several have suggested!) because of one incident on the part of one climber, that did no damage to the resource and didn't result in a citation. That wouldn't be remotely reasonable; in fact, it would be outrageous. Which is why I don't think it will happen, wa... more >>

Location: CO : Estes Park Valley : Lumpy Ridge : The Bookend : Blood Feud (5.12d)
By: Charles Vernon When: Aug 31, 2005

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Comments: What is going on with the editing around here?!

The complete removal of Spanky's comment makes this whole discussion kinda hard to follow for anyone who happens upon this in the future. He may have been a bit sarcastic, but it wasn't a personal attack and his comment was germane to the route description. If you must edit, why not just edit the part of the comment you don't like? This bizarre editing seems to be happening on half the route pages on this site now and many formerly interesting ... more >>

Location: CO : Alpine Rock : RMNP - Rock : Hallett Peak : Second Buttress Tour (5.9)
By: Charles Vernon When: Aug 8, 2005

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Comments: AC, I did that pitch earlier this summer and it is not hard for 5.9; in fact I think Rossiter gives it 8 or 8+. There is reasonable gear every 10-15 feet, and the climbing is excellent (route finding is a bit tricky but nothing to worry about). I actually enjoyed it even more than the 5.9 corner on the next pitch, though that is also very good. We approached from Hesse-Ferguson, so I can't comment on the corner left of Culp.

Location: NV : Red Rock : Oak Creek Canyon : Black Orpheus Amphitheater : Black Orpheus (5.9+)
By: Charles Vernon When: Mar 29, 2005

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Comments: In the photo below, the route starts not in the huge left-facing corner, but in the smaller corner a ways right (marked in the photo by a little red dot).

Location: UT : Zion National Park : Spearhead : Iron Messiah (5.10)
By: Charles Vernon When: Mar 28, 2005

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Comments: The left-hand variation on the last pitch is definitely only 5.4 (not 5.10 as in the above description) if done correctly. There isn't any gear, but I found the climbing to be positive and the route-finding straightforward and would definitely recommend topping out. I'm confused by some of the comments here, especially Tony's.

The route as a whole was really good. Similar to Journey Home in the Black Canyon, but not as good, and with more chimneying.

Location: CO : Boulder : Boulder Canyon : Lower Dream Canyon : Wall of Winter Warmth : Direct Cop Out (5.10b)
By: Charles Vernon When: Mar 18, 2005

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Comments: I too would like to thank Myke and Ben for all their hard work, and for providing me with the opportunity to waste months of my life and ruin a reputation I didn't have.

BobD wrote:"Funny how Ivan can critique and [criticize] these new routes with the luxury of fixed protection in place. Doesn't matter if he use the gear or not, just knowing it is there and available makes it so much easier."

Bob, I'm glad to hear you say that. Kind of deflates the tired old argument that "if you don't like ... more >>

Location: CO : Boulder : Eldorado Canyon SP : Redgarden Wall : Redgarden - Tower Two : No Lo Contendere (5.10c)
By: Charles Vernon When: Mar 17, 2005

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Comments: I was fortunate enough to top-rope this route and I thought the rock and the moves, especially above the ramp halfway up, were excellent. It seemed like a real hidden gem in that regard. I don't have any desire to comment on the bolting, except to say I'm glad I wasn't leading.

Location: CO : Lyons : St. Vrain Canyons : South Fork of St. Vrain Can... : The Monkey Skull : Sunshine Dihedral (5.10a)
By: Charles Vernon When: Oct 18, 2004

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Comments: Best route at the crag. Really fun, wild moves out the overhang, with an exciting juggy topout. This thing has good jams, a fair # of feet, and at the top, 2 cracks to use (also, gear is great). My partner doesn't usually lead gear routes harder than 10-, and he had no problems leading this. I don't think I'd upgrade it.

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